So since I'm one of the gold badge holders involved in this, I'll explain my rationale in full.
I take extreme umbrage to this phrase:
Can we please just judge a question by its own merits?
...because this implies that somehow I did not do this.
In context, questions complaining about downvotes or why someone's post was downvoted are about as prevalent here on Meta as hydrogen is everywhere else. A pattern that I've noticed over the last four or five years has been this kind of negative spiral:
- Someone's upset about downvotes, so they come to Meta to voice their frustration.
- If their frustration is constructive, their question is closed as a duplicate explaining in general why their question was closed as a dupe. Then the question might get deleted.
- If their frustration is a rant, then their question is unceremoniously closed and deleted, thus fomenting the frustration all over again.
- Eventually, someone makes their way over to social media to whinge about how toxic we all are.
Rinse, wash, repeat. We've been down this road a million times.
The thing about this is that I'm not all that bothered by people running to their favorite echo chamber to add yet another stanza to the already thick Book of Grievances: Stack Exchange Edition. I'm more bothered by the fact that Meta seems less interested in actually helping someone out in a more personable setting when it's not as expensive to do so.
Note that on Stack Overflow proper, there are some 40 million questions. It isn't feasible to try to engage with every individual there because those questions are myriad, and technically, a lot of them are bad, or are dupes. It's not difficult to point to an answer about null pointers in Java if they're using Java and their code exhibits the same pattern of how an NPE would manifest. But on Meta, I make the conjecture that duplicates are seldom duplicates unless they literally rehash the same thing.
Yes, I get that your impression of the question is...well...
Don't re-open junk because you think it shouldn't be deleted.
...which is something else I take umbrage to.
If you take nothing else away from this, at least let me convey this: Until Stack Exchange gets its act together and actually explains what downvotes are in a way that is digestible for the community at large, and why people might get them, we're forced to deal with that onslaught of questions here, on Meta, instead.
I have argued, successfully in the past as well, that the reason that there is this frustration is that it's more borne out of the fact that someone got their question downvoted and is frustrated about the experience.
Well, we can't do anything about the experience, so I don't bother exerting energy on that.
What is in my span of control is a way to help talk through their specific question and help them understand what they can do to improve their individual question instead. That may be the limit of what I can do, but I've always felt that I've had more impact in being able to do at least that.
The convenient thing to do in content moderation is to find a way to not answer the question, which is...actually pretty unfortunate to say the least. There are questions asking for feedback or improvement that are buried underneath some discontent or frustration about the process which can either be edited out or reclarified.
To the point of...
Re-opened before it was edited into something coherent.
...it's because there was no time to do that before it fell off of everyone's radar. I said this much in a comment justifying this to you.
I think you're overstating the verbatim lifecycle of salvaged questions. Basically - if a question is deleted, that adds a lot more mental burden to bother with trying to bring this question back from the grave. The best chance a question has to survive is if it's salvaged while it's still undeleted, because people will still be around long enough to evaluate the revision and agree/disagree with it then. By the time it gets into the review queues, it's very often too late, especially for posts on Meta.
To further add to the mess, there is no review queue for deleted questions, and so a moderator would have to get involved to undelete the question. I would imagine that they'd be hesitant to do so in the face of the (unfortunately one-dimensional) signal that they'd look at with respect to the question: it was heavily downvoted.
To my last point, this is a self-fulfilling prophecy, ironically enough...
Dragged onto TWITTER of all places (I'm not gonna link this), a place well known for understanding how SO works and forming coherent arguments, instead of going all mob mentality on an issue. /s
So because this was someone familiar with Meta, and someone who has had a history of doing this (which I think is fine tbh), the circumstances change a bit. But the pattern still applies.
The OP originally brought this question to Meta a while back (thanks to Martijn for that link) and it was nuked from orbit.
They came back with something similar. Y'all tried to nuke it from orbit again.
For the record: I would have absolutely no problems closing the new question as a duplicate of the old question, but I would also resist deletion. In this context, the old question really was a rehash, whereas any other existing "here's why we downvote" copypasta doesn't taste as good.
I definitely did not remember the old question, but the pattern is all too familiar. Someone tried to come to Meta to talk about this. They got rejected by Meta. A discussion about why this happened or why this was okay is being actively rejected on Meta. So...where else does one get to turn to talk about this? What, did you think they'd just be...okay with being unable to discuss their frustration about the site?
My philosophy on this is pretty simple. It does take a bit more time and energy to help someone understand why Stack Overflow works the way it does. This is why Meta exists. If Meta doesn't want to help others explain the situation, then we create these exciting opportunities where people get to fuss about it on Twitter.
You don't want that? We've gotta facilitate that here. Also too, Stack Exchange Inc. needs to get its act together and provide us with explanations about these downvotes already. We've been operating unsupported for far too long.
As an additional thought, as I've been thinking about this a bit after reading some of the comments: maybe it's better to just answer the question as opposed to try to facilitate a conversation in comments. That's another pattern I've seen but I've been flayed alive for suggesting that limiting comments was a good thing. But ironically enough, it proves out the point that there's more than enough friction in the comment thread to start a proper bonfire. Maybe that's the part that needs to cool off. Disagree with the question all you like; that's what downvotes are for. Getting into a shouting match with an OP because they don't agree with your viewpoints? Not nearly as constructive as a structured yet firm answer explaining the viewpoints of Stack Overflow as you understand them, or your opinion on why their suggestion is flawed or full of misunderstandings.
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badge decided to unilaterally reopen it. Because now I can't vote to re-close it.