I had thought about putting together a Medium blog for a response on what the actual Problem™ here on Stack Overflow was, and why there was this air of hostility, but every time I sat down to make more progress on it, I kept being reminded of comments.
Yes, comments. That double-edged sword which serves the valuable purpose of allowing us to ask questions of the OP.
Except...it's not always used for that purpose. You can run into chains like this one for example explaining why this question shouldn't be answered, or you can get high-rep users making snide remarks with a large deal of impunity.
Then there's also the matter of someone actually answering a question in comments, which completely flies in the face of the whole point of a Q&A site. It's actually embarrasingly common to see someone post a solution in the body of comments, removed from any substantial usefulness and away from anyone looking to actually search on those answers.
There have been a few suggestions out there already which have indicated something similar:
- Voluntarily limit comments on posts where the user's displayed reputation is < 50
- We should consider adding a 'cost' to comments
In my mind, neither are sufficient enough to address the main symptom of the Problem™:
Comments are given far more clout than they should be.
To that end, here's what I propose.
- You get one comment per question and answer, or up to three in a comment chain with the OP. Questions and answers would count separate.
- You get up to fifteen comments per day. Deleted comments are exempt from this limit.
- If a comment of yours is flagged as something other than "Obsolete" and the flag is marked as "helpful", you lose three comments overall until you can no longer comment, which will persist for three months.
- No such limit would exist on Meta sites (including Meta Stack Exchange).
- In the case of more clarification being absolutely necessary on the part of the OP, a time-limited chat room (say about an hour) could exist for the purposes of getting details out of the OP and help them improve their question.
This has the immediate pluses of keeping comments narrow and focused for a specific reason, while allowing those who actually want to commentate for a purpose, and effectively punish the users who abuse this privilege in a more concise and simple way.
The immediate drawback is that we wouldn't be able to commentate nearly as much as we do today.
Which, given the backlash we've seen over the last two weeks...might be for the better.
Thoughts? Comments? Want a better example of snide remarks?
It there's a problem or a question, a comment should be leveraged to ask for clarification
yes - or, if the user is very new and unaware of SO's arcane rules and their question needs a fundamental remake, a comment can go a long way introducing them to the place and suggesting how to make the question a better fit for the site. Looking at what people are complaining about, that's what we need more of. Not less.We can't make people read, but we can keep our most vociferous members from sounding like jerks.
I don't see how; you still have 15 opportunities to post curt comments. In the meantime, people with helpful comments have to keep notes so they don't hit their daily limit, and if one new user doesn't find the advice posted gentle enough they lose three of them.So the moderation team would decide, as they do today.
the very essence of the entire hostility problem is that it's often a grey area, especially when helpful information is transmitted at the same time. If it were simply a question of changing flagging standards and rate limiting a clearly defined group of users posting rude comments, they might have done this long ago. The fundamental problem is you can't police tone and basic interactions between people - and attempts to do it tend to end in some form of dystopian awfulness. Delegating to the moderators doesn't solve this problem.