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Coherent -> constructive. Yes, I left that last one in there intentionally.
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I am referring to the recent hot topic in particular:

Is downvoting harmful and should it be removed completely?

(Screenshot of the latest revision for <10k users, in case the question is deleted).

It is yet another "downvotes bad" post (still, even after the edits). It got downvoted to smithereens, closed, and eventually deleted.

That mess of a question was then picked as the subject of a "Meta is too eager to delete" question. That single action caused the original question to go from "quickly forgotten" to a "highly contested territory" status.

Whether you agree that the deletion is justified or not is irrelevant to the question at hand: what we ended up with is that the revision history on it now looks like a war zone:

post history part 1 post history part 2

Several controversial actions were taken that make me question if we are doing the right thing here. The post was:

  • Re-opened before being edited into something coherentconstructive.
  • Re-opened by gold badge holders while it's very clearly a controversial situation that no single user should force their will on... Twice.
  • Re-opened despite the fact the OP clearly isn't interested in a coherentconstructive discussion.
  • Re-opened despite multiple duplicate targets clearly explaining why downvotes are an integral part of the system.
  • Dragged onto Twitter, a place with a questionable understanding of how SO works and is not known for facilitating coherent arguments instead of relying on mob mentality.

The only reason the question is getting that much attention is that it was used to illustrate a point. This is the meta effect on Meta itself, and it is really making a mess of Meta curation.

So I ask you, why don't we judge a question by its own merits?

Please do not reopen such posts because you think they should not be deleted. Try to forget about the Meta question you were linked from and just look at the question itself.

I am referring to the recent hot topic in particular:

Is downvoting harmful and should it be removed completely?

(Screenshot of the latest revision for <10k users, in case the question is deleted).

It is yet another "downvotes bad" post (still, even after the edits). It got downvoted to smithereens, closed, and eventually deleted.

That mess of a question was then picked as the subject of a "Meta is too eager to delete" question. That single action caused the original question to go from "quickly forgotten" to a "highly contested territory" status.

Whether you agree that the deletion is justified or not is irrelevant to the question at hand: what we ended up with is that the revision history on it now looks like a war zone:

post history part 1 post history part 2

Several controversial actions were taken that make me question if we are doing the right thing here. The post was:

  • Re-opened before being edited into something coherent.
  • Re-opened by gold badge holders while it's very clearly a controversial situation that no single user should force their will on... Twice.
  • Re-opened despite the fact the OP clearly isn't interested in a coherent discussion.
  • Re-opened despite multiple duplicate targets clearly explaining why downvotes are an integral part of the system.
  • Dragged onto Twitter, a place with a questionable understanding of how SO works and is not known for facilitating coherent arguments instead of relying on mob mentality.

The only reason the question is getting that much attention is that it was used to illustrate a point. This is the meta effect on Meta itself, and it is really making a mess of Meta curation.

So I ask you, why don't we judge a question by its own merits?

Please do not reopen such posts because you think they should not be deleted. Try to forget about the Meta question you were linked from and just look at the question itself.

I am referring to the recent hot topic in particular:

Is downvoting harmful and should it be removed completely?

(Screenshot of the latest revision for <10k users, in case the question is deleted).

It is yet another "downvotes bad" post (still, even after the edits). It got downvoted to smithereens, closed, and eventually deleted.

That mess of a question was then picked as the subject of a "Meta is too eager to delete" question. That single action caused the original question to go from "quickly forgotten" to a "highly contested territory" status.

Whether you agree that the deletion is justified or not is irrelevant to the question at hand: what we ended up with is that the revision history on it now looks like a war zone:

post history part 1 post history part 2

Several controversial actions were taken that make me question if we are doing the right thing here. The post was:

  • Re-opened before being edited into something constructive.
  • Re-opened by gold badge holders while it's very clearly a controversial situation that no single user should force their will on... Twice.
  • Re-opened despite the fact the OP clearly isn't interested in a constructive discussion.
  • Re-opened despite multiple duplicate targets clearly explaining why downvotes are an integral part of the system.
  • Dragged onto Twitter, a place with a questionable understanding of how SO works and is not known for facilitating coherent arguments instead of relying on mob mentality.

The only reason the question is getting that much attention is that it was used to illustrate a point. This is the meta effect on Meta itself, and it is really making a mess of Meta curation.

So I ask you, why don't we judge a question by its own merits?

Please do not reopen such posts because you think they should not be deleted. Try to forget about the Meta question you were linked from and just look at the question itself.

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How should Should we stop making martyrs of highly controversial opinionated posts?

Because the original title was "Can we please stop making martyrs out of junk?". I think asking "*How*" is more close to the original than "*Should*"
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Should How should we stop making martyrs of highly controversial opinionated posts?

Tried to address concerns that the post might not seek community input
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