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I saw it happen again - a new user posted an unclear question on the main site complaining vaguely about a bad user experience on SO. It got migrated to Meta by five apparently well-meaning but perhaps misguided 3k closevoters, and the Meta crowd promptly closed it as Unclear What You're Asking. This resulted in the question popping back up on Main, where it is just going to accumulate more downvotes and eventually get deleted. This creates extra trash (an unnecessary migration history as well as a closed "turd" on Meta), and creates extra work for the Meta users who have to respond and close the question that never should have been migrated in the first place.

Let's get rid of the 3k user closevote path to migrate from Stack Overflow to Meta Stack Overflow. Rarely have I seen a high-quality Meta question that originated on the main site - rather, the very fact that a poster didn't seem to appreciate the difference between SO and Meta.SO itself indicates that the poster likewise probably did not understand or take note of what makes a good Meta question, rather than a "Stack Overflow sux, stop downvoting me!!1!11one" rant or an unclear "How come I can't answer? It doesn't work".

For the rare cases in which a high quality Meta question does appear on the main site (e.g. due to sheer luck, or a heavily sleep-deprived but experienced user), a moderator flag can be raised for migration to Meta.

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    I don't think leaving such posts on main to collect downvotes is any nicer... Maybe closure on meta should not reject migration from main instead? Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:20
  • @AlexeiLevenkov well, I linked to a feature request in which that very thing was requested, and now we are here in 2019 and nothing has changed. This change (remove the migration path) may be easier to implement than coding in a special-case behavior for certain migrations. Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:22
  • Moderators don't have enough work to do so dealing with requests to evaluate and move posts to meta should be added to their tasks?
    – Joe W
    Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:37
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    I've seen plenty of high-quality questions originally from the main site.
    – Picachieu
    Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:53
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    Some stats: In the past 90 days, 52 posts were migrated from SO to Meta, and 67% of those ended up rejected. We also had 18 migrations from Meta.SE to Meta (33% rejected) and one surprise migration from Crypto.SE (rejected) (that post was misdirected).
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jan 31, 2019 at 12:31
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    So the stats don't look that great. Still, Meta closes a lot of posts generally. I don't think that the stats are the only thing to look at here. For example, this post was migrated, received well here, and was closed as a duplicate.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jan 31, 2019 at 12:34
  • @MartijnPieters You lost me there. What am I intended to learn from those stats? Is it that this is a minor problem because it's only a small number of questions in three months time?
    – Gimby
    Commented Jan 31, 2019 at 13:23
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    @Gimby: I'm just sharing the stats. What you learn from them is your own, I didn't intend to infer anything from them.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jan 31, 2019 at 13:25
  • @MartijnPieters fair enough, then I don't feel too stupid for not catching your drift, there was none to catch :)
    – Gimby
    Commented Jan 31, 2019 at 13:51

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You're going to have to sell this to me.

Here's the scope of Meta as I understand it:

  • A place to discuss the direction and policies of the site.
  • A place to ask questions about how to use the site and its functionality.
  • A place to report bugs and problems with using the site.
  • A place to garner constructive criticism or feedback of questions (or answers) on the site.
  • A place to ask constructive questions about moderation actions taken against posts on the site.

Out of that, "high-quality" becomes subjective at best. You can have a good and constructive discussion come from someone who had their question closed and they disagree with it, and you could not. But that doesn't instantly make the post "high-quality".

We deal with rants just fine here - close them, delete them, move on with our lives. Migrating that off of the main site means that, at a minimum, it's not going to get picked up by a search engine crawler.

If you're only ever going to look for high-quality Meta questions, you're going to be looking high and low. When you do find them, let me know where they're hiding - I'd just sooner move to where they are than have them come to me.

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    High quality is not really subjective when talking about migrated questions like this [1/2]
    – BDL
    Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:25
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    I'm not proposing that there be no way to migrate from Main to Meta. I'm saying that this should be done by moderators (who should know enough to not migrate crap), not random users who just happen to have enough rep to closevote. Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:25
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    [2/2] But I agree with Makoto: The majority of migrated posts that I see are at least ok. Maybe not high quality but at the average quality level meta has anyway.
    – BDL
    Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:27
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    @BDL: This sounds like a simpler problem - have a moderator talk to the people who elected to migrate this question over here in the first place. How often would this occur that it requires us to remove the migration path?
    – Makoto
    Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:27
  • @RobertColumbia: What happens to people who migrate crap these days, anyway? We usually let the moderators deal with them and that becomes a non-factor. The site then receiving the crap (as it were) then has a talk about whether or not they want to keep receiving it. As where we stand today I don't see any compelling reason to believe that we're inundated with migration crap, so I don't see a benefit to giving more work for moderators in this context.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:31
  • Yeah, this is one of the few cases where migration actually makes sense. Pretty much everyone on SO that has close votes can judge when a question on main is actually a meta post. And I don't even mind the bad ones that much in this case: they're gonna get dealt with real quick on Meta, faster even than they would on main most likely.
    – jscs
    Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:32
  • Although, having said that...is that actually a question about scraping SO, and therefore (nominally) on-topic for main?
    – jscs
    Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:36
  • Yeah @JoshCaswell, at first glance it reads like someone wants to scrape the site. Okay, that's probably on topic for SO since site scraping is a thing, but it's not exactly a good question, either. It'd have been fine on main and the migration action was wholly inappropriate. I see opportunity for a misunderstanding, but barely.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:37
  • Yep, it needs to be closed one way or the other.
    – jscs
    Commented Jan 30, 2019 at 20:38

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