Most of coldspeed's answer is good, valuable and informative. However, I think much its content is based on a flawed premise. I do have one particular concern which I cover at the end.
While a large number of these flags seem to imply some people believe MCVE flags are rude/abusive, I really don't think that's the case. In fact the entire discussion here indicates there's pretty much universal agreement that even in their tersest form these comments are not rude/abusive.
@Yvette, your "question?" (though I don't really see a question), might have been better structured as asking: "Why are so many of these comments being flagged, and what can be done to reduce the false-flagging?"
As mentioned earlier, I believe coldspeed missed the mark. The problem comes down to the mechanics of the site. When a user asks a poor question typically 3 things start to happen:
- Down-votes
- Close-votes
- And comments
The user perceives themselves as being attacked on 3 fronts. And of those 3, the user has no "protection mechanism" except to flag comments. And regardless of whether any of the comments are rude/abusive, that's the user's perception; and they react defensively.
Now when the user sees a MCVE request alongside down/close votes, they might believe (often incorrectly) that the commenter also gave a negative vote. Furthermore, given that many people struggle to receive criticism (no matter how constructive), a comment that accurately highlights a flaw in their question may be seen as encouraging others to also down/close vote.
So the user, feeling trapped, lashes out by flagging comments. The biggest target will be any comments that truly are rude/abusive. But the next targets are requests for clarification/more information and even very helpful comments that are unrelated to the user's problem. (I have seen a user rage-quit over a couple of down votes but net +ve score when: in addition to the answer to his problem, there were some comments pointing out other bugs in his code that he felt offended by.)
The irony is that an up-tick in the flagging of MCVE comments might in fact suggest there's been a reduction in truly rude/abusive comments. It also hints at a possible 'off-the-wall' disruptive influencer approach to tackling the problem:
When a question is hit with negative votes and receives a MCVE request; have the system generate a mildly offensive comment that the user can flag and get deleted without any repercussions to anyone, but puts the user 'at-ease' about the site. (Yes, this suggestion is a little tongue-in-cheek, but allegedly such subtle tricks to subconsciously influence people can be effective.)
More to the point is that: as long as the site limits the defensive actions available when a user rightly/wrongly feels attacked, they're more likely to engage in false-flagging. And the comments that are, shall we say "ranked lower on the user's immediate gratification bar", will be flagged more often. This is where some of coldspeed's answer might improve an MCVE request's position on the afore-mentioned bar. But that doesn't really solve the problem; it just moves the flagging to less "clear cut" but still acceptable comments. (And when, NB not "if", but: when moderators make mistakes accepting false-flags they'll be fuelling antagonism against valuable contributors.)
Suggestion 1
As alluded to earlier, effectively the site itself is a contributor to the user feeling abused. There are 2 things the user is almost defenceless against; also the 2 that are usually the bigger contributors to feeling abused.
If the site offered the user an option to "flag" the negative voting, this should go a long way to reducing false-flags. But obviously the votes are not abusive no matter what the user may feel. So these flags would have to be almost always ignored. (Like the VTC queue currently.) And I would argue that if the site were to dishonestly create a false impression that a user's concerns would be investigated, then it would be genuinely and egregiously abusive.
However, if that "flag" is used as an entry point to structured guidance, it becomes an opportunity to help the user improve their question and learn more about the site:
- It can be frustrating to see down votes, but people on this site want to help. They wouldn't be here otherwise. If you improve your question the votes will change. Did you know you can edit your question at any time.
- If someone asked you for information in the comments, please edit your question so that anyone trying to help has all the information needed to answer.
- Down votes can mean people don't understand your question. It can help to include a small paragraph with a background explanation.
- Sometimes users spend so much effort writing the question they forget to ask the actual question clearly enough. Does your question clearly explain what your problem is? Is your problem that: (1) The program doesn't compile. (2) The program compiles and runs, but does something wrong.
- Doesn't compile: Have you shown the exact line the compiler complains about? Have you provided the exact error message?
- Does something wrong:
- Have you provided sample input?
- Do you get an error message? What is it?
- What happens? What do you expect to happen?
The prompts can even be slightly dynamic:
- Someone asked you for a MCVE. This is a very important step because without it people are forced to guess and that's not very helpful. Do you know how to create a MCVE? (with appropriate links/menus)
- Someone has suggested a possible duplicate to your question. Obviously the other question is not exactly the same as yours. But it is very likely that one of its answers will be helpful; and solve your problem much more quickly. If none of those answers help, you can edit your question to explain why your question is different.
Suggestion 2
Add functionality to draw from a library of canned comments that have been curated. This somewhat overlaps with coldspeed's answer. I'd like to emphasise the importance of this being a library of comments. Current templates like [mcve]
are woefully insufficient.
- Database questions usually require table structures and sample data.
- I've seen a geometry question that needed a simple picture.
- Some questions need input values, some don't.
- Many times MCVE is requested but user objects "I've provided my whole program." Sometimes with the addendum: "in a link". In these cases canned comments focusing on specific problems such as "not minimal" or "not verifiable" would be useful.
In addition, make the canned-comments fixed (like vote-to-close messages) so that there's zero chance of injecting something that could be deemed rude. This provides a guarantee that they're "safe" and it should not be possible to flag these comments as rude/abusive. But it should be possible to flag as "out of context". E.g. MCVE not required because question is answerable based on given error message. Or MCVE has since been provided.
I must point out that I do have a concern with this suggestion. As mentioned above it just provides a deflector for these specific comments. And users lashing out defensively would likely just find some normal comments to false-flag. We all know that moderators are human and not infallible. It's inevitable that they will occasionally incorrectly accept such false-flags. And this has its own negative consequences.
Finally, I mentioned I had a particular concern with coldspeed's answer.
I'd like to urge users who are kind enough to leave comments to preface your link to a MCVE with a little text.
To be a little blunt. I'm not employed or paid by Stackoverflow. Any extra information I choose to include or exclude is my prerogative; dependent on my mood, available time, and assessment of the effort the questioner put into the original question. In fact, I consider the pedantic 15 char rule on the site that prevents [mcve]
being an acceptable comment to be a problem. If I could simply submit [mcve]
to indicate the MCVE is required, then if someone chooses to bikeshed the template with flowery insincere platitudes, they're welcome to do so without affecting me.
I'm happy to use curated comments, and there are many benefits to this. Whatever is determined as the "correct" comment for a given situation, it can easily be improved over time. So when it's used on newer question it may be more useful and of more benefit to future readers by linking to explanations: why MCVE is required, how to reduce irrelevant code, how to ensure it's verifiable etc.
[mcve]
. But not many people is aware of that it seems.