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Today, I flagged this answer (now deleted) as rude/abusive:

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However, my flag was declined:

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and I'm curious as to the reasons why, because common consensus agrees with me:

What makes something rude or abusive and when should I flag it?

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This includes posts that contain no useful content at all – i.e. gibberish posts along the lines of:

asyuv;laergap897wertp[98 gb;vp98a34

The full reasoning for using this flag in this situation is described in the linked Meta Stack Exchange post, but for me the most important reason is that six rude/abusive flags cast by community members will automatically delete the post. This is more efficient than casting VLQ/NAA flags and having a ♦ moderator delete it; they can spend their valuable time solving problems the community can't solve on its own.

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    This is a VLQ target isn't it?
    – Gimby
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 16:16
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    Do you mean the question to which that 'answer' was posted? I mean, obviously this is a VLQ answer, but I think a heavier flag applies.
    – Glorfindel
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 16:17
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    so, to be fair, the post YOU flagged had 2 lines of gibberish. The example has one...... (just trying to be pedantic and find a reason why this makes sense..... I think the help center needs to be edited :/)
    – Patrice
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 16:20
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    @Patrice, yeah, I know, but I couldn't flag it twice :P
    – Glorfindel
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 16:20
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    Well, it's definitely abusive, since it abuses the time of everyone involved...
    – Floern
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 16:21
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    That post was flagged with several NAA and Abusive flags at once. Perhaps the mod couldn't acknowledge both at the same time, and the system automatically declined the other ones. Not entirely sure about what action the mod took exactly.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 16:22
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    Hmm, "gvd" is a fairly mild expletive in Dutch. English only here please. Use the NAA flag. Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 16:23
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    @HansPassant This is pretty clearly gibberish. You really can't say that the author there intended for that to be Dutch.
    – Undo Mod
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 16:23
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    @HansPassant when we have a help center article that says SPECIFICALLY that these are abusive? ...
    – Patrice
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 16:24
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    @deceze The timeline shows that the rude/abusive flags were declined explicitly, before the post was deleted. If they weren't, and the post was simply deleted, they would be marked helpful.
    – Undo Mod
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 16:24
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    Be that an expletive or not, the post is abusive. Being gibberish is enough reason for it to be red-flaggable. We have always flagged those posts as abusive to get them deleted fast, without having a mod involved.
    – M.A.R.
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 16:27
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    Then it looks like an honest mistake by the mod to me.
    – deceze Mod
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 16:30
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    "There is no meaning to the post! It's VLQ, it's abuse, it's Not An Answer... There's no metric you can apply that'll narrow that down, because there is no meaningful content to apply metrics to. So pick the flag that speaks to you. I'm partial to "rude or abusive", because enough of them immediately delete and lock the post, which is handy... But VLQ or NAA work just as well in the vast majority of cases..." (Why don't we treat rubbish the same as spam?)
    – gnat
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 17:26
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    I would use the same flag as you, for the same reasons. And I would too complain at meta if my flag was declined :)
    – gnat
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 17:39
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    @cpburnz It's not spam though, and we don't want gibberish in the spam detection rules. It is important to use the most appropriate flag and not just assume they all have the same implications. On ELL we're fine with folks flagging for moderator attention when they're unsure, but that might be problematic on higher traffic sites. Abusive/spam flags can block IPs, which may be a little harsh for a VLQ or NAA answer: meta.stackexchange.com/q/273403
    – ColleenV
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 23:06

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I didn’t know that was the consensus, sorry! Will be sure to approve them in the future.

Turns out it’s possible to change this flag to disputed after the fact, so I’ve done that now.

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    No problem, always happy to educate a ♦ :) Could you undecline my flag or is that not possible?
    – Glorfindel
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 18:43
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    @Glorfindel: It isn’t, unfortunately. I’ve wanted to do that a few times (and the opposite – delete auto-validation isn’t always helpful), but…
    – Ry- Mod
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 18:43
  • OK, no problem then, my flag record is good enough to stay out of the ban-zone.
    – Glorfindel
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 18:44
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    I'm just curious as to why you didn't realize that rude/abusive is used for garbage. I feel like this is frequently discussed on meta and in chat. Have you been declining flags like these that have been raised previously?
    – JAL
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 18:51
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    I feel like this is frequently discussed on meta @JAL - The times I can remember the rude/abusive flag being discussed on Meta it usually devolved into an argument over whether something was offensive enough to warrant the flag. I can't recall a recent discussion on this flag for a post that was pure nonsense.
    – BSMP
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 19:00
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    @BSMP it comes up frequently in chat, especially one of the rooms JAL frequents. I do not recall any recent discussion of this on m.SO.
    – user4639281
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 19:03
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    @Ryan I have had one other abusive flag disputed (on January 3rd this year), on an answer containing just 100 aaaaaa's. Perhaps one of your colleagues isn't aware of this either, so it might be worthwhile to bring this up in the SO moderator chat.
    – Glorfindel
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 19:12
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    @Glorfindel IIRC mods cannot dispute flags, they can only decline them. That would mean that it must have gone into the LQPRQ for some reason (probably was flagged using NaA) and the outcome must have been "Looks OK". That outcome for a series of a's would be a flaggable offense IMO.
    – user4639281
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 19:22
  • @TinyGiant it was deleted by a moderator three minutes after posting.
    – Glorfindel
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 19:25
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    @TinyGiant Spam and Rude/Abusive flags are the only ones mods can straight dispute. This way, they can signal that they understand why it was flagged, but they don't feel that the system penalties should be imposed for whatever reason.
    – Kendra
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 19:26
  • @Kendra That sounds familiar.
    – user4639281
    Commented Feb 2, 2017 at 19:28
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    @Glorfindel: Turns out it’s possible to change them to disputed after the fact, so I’ve done that now.
    – Ry- Mod
    Commented Feb 3, 2017 at 1:16
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    Someone needs a second round of hazing :)
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Feb 3, 2017 at 4:09
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    @BoltClock Make him hand draw "afadvadvaserfatea is not useful content" a couple hundred times on some images... ;)
    – JeffC
    Commented Feb 3, 2017 at 14:19
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    @JeffC: i.sstatic.net/OZe0T.png
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Feb 3, 2017 at 14:34

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