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Before dismissing this as a "spurious interpretation", please consider that these license restrictions are the same ones that protect our names and technical content from being used on sites that promote white supremacy (fancy some KKK pictures slotted between answers, anyone? Or maybe used to indicate "accepted answer" or used for upvote and downvote buttons or user flair?), flag burning, protests at military funerals, or whatever offends you, if having five black-robed officials assume for themselves the roles of executive, legislature, and judiciary doesn't1.

Ok, I get that Stack Exchange is a private company, and stackoverflow.com is your property, and you can use it to spread your message.

In an extreme case, you could (temporarily I would hope) replace the entire site with a page celebrating the new "rights" of founder Joel. The community would surely be unhappy with losing access to this great resource, but it would be within your rights.

What's problematic, however, is using Subscriber Content and Subscriber profiles to promote your cause. You and I and every other subscriber have entered into a legal agreement which grants you certain rights to use content. That agreement uses the following language to incorporate a license by reference, which we commonly know as "CC BY-SA 3.0":

You agree that all Subscriber Content that You contribute to the Network is perpetually and irrevocably licensed to Stack Exchange under the Creative Commons Attribution Share Alike license.

That license has multiple provisions which protect the author of content by ensuring that they receive credit for their work while protecting their personal brand against abuse. Here's the wording (emphasis mine):

  1. Restrictions. The license granted in Section 3 above is expressly made subject to and limited by the following restrictions:

    c. If You Distribute, or Publicly Perform the Work or any Adaptations or Collections, You must, unless a request has been made pursuant to Section 4(a), keep intact all copyright notices for the Work and provide, reasonable to the medium or means You are utilizing: (i) the name of the Original Author (or pseudonym, if applicable) if supplied, and/or if the Original Author and/or Licensor designate another party or parties (e.g., a sponsor institute, publishing entity, journal) for attribution ("Attribution Parties") in Licensor's copyright notice, terms of service or by other reasonable means, the name of such party or parties; (ii) the title of the Work if supplied; (iii) to the extent reasonably practicable, the URI, if any, that Licensor specifies to be associated with the Work, unless such URI does not refer to the copyright notice or licensing information for the Work; and (iv) , consistent with Ssection 3(b), in the case of an Adaptation, a credit identifying the use of the Work in the Adaptation (e.g., "French translation of the Work by Original Author," or "Screenplay based on original Work by Original Author"). The credit required by this Section 4(c) may be implemented in any reasonable manner; provided, however, that in the case of a Adaptation or Collection, at a minimum such credit will appear, if a credit for all contributing authors of the Adaptation or Collection appears, then as part of these credits and in a manner at least as prominent as the credits for the other contributing authors. For the avoidance of doubt, You may only use the credit required by this Section for the purpose of attribution in the manner set out above and, by exercising Your rights under this License, You may not implicitly or explicitly assert or imply any connection with, sponsorship or endorsement by the Original Author, Licensor and/or Attribution Parties, as appropriate, of You or Your use of the Work, without the separate, express prior written permission of the Original Author, Licensor and/or Attribution Parties.

    d. Except as otherwise agreed in writing by the Licensor or as may be otherwise permitted by applicable law, if You Reproduce, Distribute or Publicly Perform the Work either by itself or as part of any Adaptations or Collections, You must not distort, mutilate, modify or take other derogatory action in relation to the Work which would be prejudicial to the Original Author's honor or reputation. Licensor agrees that in those jurisdictions (e.g. Japan), in which any exercise of the right granted in Section 3(b) of this License (the right to make Adaptations) would be deemed to be a distortion, mutilation, modification or other derogatory action prejudicial to the Original Author's honor and reputation, the Licensor will waive or not assert, as appropriate, this Section, to the fullest extent permitted by the applicable national law, to enable You to reasonably exercise Your right under Section 3(b) of this License (right to make Adaptations) but not otherwise.

These sections clearly apply to Collections, and therefore to stackoverflow.com.

It is indisputable that placing the logo and mouseover text on user profile pages creates a "connection with" the user. It is also indisputable that written permission has not been obtained from every registered user to create such a connection between their content2 and the cause which Stack Exchange, Inc. has chosen to publicize/celebrate this weekend.

It is disputable (and probably will be disputed endlessly) whether the presence of the logo and mouseover text on the profile imply "sponsorship or endorsement", but we can probably agree that it is possible that a reasonable person might perceive it as so doing. Similarly for whether the usage of the logo on Q&A pages where Subscriber Content appears implies a connection. Most viewers probably agree that including the rainbow logo and mouseover text on Q&A pages "distort" and "modify" the message of the technical content; fewer will consider it to "mutilate" or be a "derogatory action" but these too are not unreasonable.

I'm pointing this out on Meta at this time, rather than via the legal contact form, because I have hope that this matter can be amicably resolved. In my estimation, Stack Exchange has simply been a little careless about their responsibilities concerning messages which do not represent the views of contributors, and will quickly cure the violation, without need for closing accounts, takedown notices, or stronger legal actions.

My suggestion is that the rainbow logo be immediately removed from user profile pages (all tabs), and that a disclaimer be added to the logo on other pages, in such a fashion that it appears in mouseover text and also when the page is printed, stating that the message represents the viewpoint of Stack Exchange, Inc., but may not reflect the views of individual users.

Whether or not you are OK with having your personal brand used to spread this message, you should be very concerned about the fact that the requirement of a written opt-in was bypassed. Alternately, Stack Exchange could take more effective steps to clearly separate their speech from association with subscribers and Subscriber Content.

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1 I realize that most people have chosen a side on this issue without considering the balance of power between the three branches of the USA's government, and it's OK if you have. But please realize that this ruling is controversial for many reasons and that throwing out words like "discrimination" or "bigot" do not adequately address those reasons. I personally find that this quote sums up concerns about judicial overreach nicely: "A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." (Gerald Ford)

2 Even if I upload a different avatar image and use a pseudonym, as suggested by Bill Woodger, it will still be my content. Whether the image is a photo of myself or a geometric figure of my creation makes no difference to the verbiage of the CC BY-SA license, although it might be material to other contracts and laws concerning likenesses of individuals.


For what it's worth, here is the specific way in which Stack Overflow's action threatens to harm my reputation (previously mentioned here and here):

I consistently support (across the Internet and in real life) an originalist view of Constitutional interpretation. Therefore associating my work with a celebration of a ruling based on dynamic interpretation, paints me as insincere or a hypocrite.

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    There's actually significant irony here, from people who assume that the majority vote dictates whether the minority gets to enjoy the rights promised by the CC BY-SA license.
    – Ben Voigt
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    The work is your post. Your work has not been modified in any way shape or form (although IANAL).
    – hichris123
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    @hichris123: Did you read all bolded sections of the license? It concerns both an implied connection / impled association, and is clearly made to apply to Collections.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 16:15
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    It is indisputable that placing the logo and mouseover text on user profile pages creates a "connection with" the user. - No it isn't. It is clearly a site wide logo not one selected by the user. Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 16:17
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    As for your consistent support of your views, I don't think realistically that many looking at your profile during this period would draw the conclusion you suggest. People who know you or hold the same views will realise it is just a website you have no personal control over. Other people won't have the remotest clue. Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 16:43
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    @BillWoodger: Well, my views really don't matter in this discussion. Stack Exchange would equally, according to CC BY-SA, have to obtain my written permission before adding pro-life material to my profile page in a way that implied a connection to me.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 16:49
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    Personally, I fail to see how anyone would confuse the logo of the site with anything in your profile or posts, or from the logo infer that you support the message. To me, this is making a huge huge mountain out of a molehill.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 17:07
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    @BenVoigt because you didn't need to edit a disclaimer into it. I simply do not understand how you think anyone would draw the conclusion that you support gay marriage specifically or dynamic interpretation of the constitution generally from your membership of a site that has temporarily altered its logo. I also find it hard to believe that anyone who describes themselves as "[a consistent supporter of] an originalist view of Constitutional interpretation" would find a small rainbow to be particularly embarrassing, but I suppose that's a separate discussion.
    – jonrsharpe
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 17:10
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    Yes, I am; so what? It doesn't say "Ben Voigt is a hypocrite".
    – jonrsharpe
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 17:11
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    @Deduplicator: Like I said in my last comment, "I am against having Stack Exchange attach any sociopolitical message to my online brand without my permission." Since it seems no one is going to give me peace until I reveal my thoughts on "civil rights for homosexual Americans", I will say two things: First, I am against the federal government seizing control of the definition of marriage from the states, even if all three branches agreed, except through the amendment process. Second, the whole "hospital visitation" thing is compelling, and the fact that these rights are available outside
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 17:57
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    of a marriage only by filing hundreds of legal documents is absurd and benefits only lawyers, who get paid for document preparation time. I am 100% in favor of a streamlined process for two adults of sound mind to agree to a partnership of mutual emotional and financial support that gives visitation rights, pensions, shared property, etc, etc. And the couple being involved in a sexual relationship should not be a requirement (as some domestic partnership forms evidently demand). Make it available to lovers, army buddies, parent/child, siblings, and everyone else.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:01
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    @BenVoigt: and what if people see this as a positive thing? You are projecting your own interpretation of the logo onto others. Perhaps you should trust people more? And the majority of people do not live in isolation. The demographic that visits SO also visits Google, GitHub, Bitbucket, Twitter, etc. etc. etc. Chances that someone comes across just your profile and makes that leap are ridiculously small.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:28
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    @BenVoigt: I was not discussing your legal theory, Jaydles addresses that. I am questioning why you are getting so worked up over this.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:38
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    @BenVoigt I personally think you've drawn 100x more attention to yourself by getting all worked up and making numerous posts about it. YES, you're upset, you have a right to be upset, but really... people aren't assuming your gay just because S.O changed THEIR logo for a few days man. Try and chill out. You have every right to cancel your account if you don't agree with how you're being treated or if you don't agree with the views of S.O.
    – matt.
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 19:06
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    I always laugh at the great rethoric lengths some people are willing to go just to argue against equality on some asinine technicalities. This post of yours is way more harmful to your reputation than StackOverflow having a site-wide colored logo.
    – René Roth
    Commented Jun 29, 2015 at 17:37

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Normally, I try to focus on what's fair, appropriate, etc. to everyone, but this question is really about legal questions, so I'll try to focus on that. Even though I'm not a lawyer, so you should get your own if you really need legal advice. :)

The short version: Legally speaking, the CC-SA license does not give contributors any veto power over our name, logo, catchphrases, tee shirt designs, or font choice.

The clauses you're quoting don't do what you're suggesting. Here's the first:

You may not implicitly or explicitly assert or imply any connection with, sponsorship or endorsement by the Original Author...

This means that we can't do things that say, "Ben Endorses...". It would likely cover actions such as us saying "Ben endorses Stack Overflow," or being sneaky bastards, and taking some quote from your post saying,

"originalist view of Constitutional interpretation? I love it!"

... and then just excerpting the "I love it! - Ben" and using it in an ad for Stack Overflow, which would imply you endorsed us.

But your argument is dependent on the assumption that that just by having anything in our header (a name, logo, and tooltip, say) we've done something to imply you endorse all those things, whatever they happen to say, even when you didn't have an issue with them. Before, it would mean you endorsed us, our name, the font we used, orange, etc. That's... pretty certainly not right, since it literally would mean any website with a header can't use CC-SA without constantly violating it.

As to the second clause you cited:

You must not distort, mutilate, modify or take other derogatory action in relation to the Work which would be prejudicial to the Original Author's honor or reputation

Others in the comments touched on the what's wrong there - it's about mutilating the work. It doesn't assign control over other parts of the site, page, etc. If an edit does things that can be demonstrated convincingly to a judge to harm your reputation, you've got a strong legal case. If we start running taglines on the top of the page saying, "Stack Overflow - the website that kills puppies!" you don't have much of a legal case.

Couple more minor legal clarifications:

  • "Reasonable person" has different meanings in different fields of law, but none that I know of allow for the possibility that a reasonable person might think something. They're all related to what a reasonable person is likely to think. As in, "Is it likely that the average reasonable person will think Ben approves of our logo colors, politics, or hairstyle, assuming we depict them all in our wesite header?"
  • CC-SA does not in any case grant one the right to remove their work. It's always been the option to anonymize in certain circumstances. (To be fair, you didn't suggest otherwise in your post, but I saw it touched on in other answers or comments.)

One note, in case it helps: We have no position on whether this use of judicial power was constitutionally... anything. Our support was entirely for the result, and it's possible that some day, over a beer, you'd easily convince me that despite my support for the outcome, that the court was the wrong place for it to happen. I'm honestly embarrassed that I lack the background to have an opinion on that.

Oh, and one last thing: Ben has taken a legal position (which I disagreed with) and expressed a constitutional opinion (which I've no opinion of). Let's steer clear of making assumptions about his feelings toward any group; his post does not necessarily imply any disrespect for anyone.

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    Couple things -- you gave an example of "explicit" endorsements, while the license clearly also includes implied connections, sponsorships, and endorsements, and those aren't limited to your "sneaky" example. Then, I think it's reasonable to say that when I signed up for a user account, I authorized a certain connection between myself and Stack Overflow. The change to the logo, and especially adding the mouseover text, dramatically changed the nature of that connection, such that it isn't covered by my earlier agreement.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:21
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    Finally, are you saying that our content can be used under CC BY-SA by whomever, however, as long as they link back to SO? Because I don't think it is acceptable to intermingle our technical contributions with (whatever the offensive image of the week is) without clearly disclaiming that the combination is made by the other site and does not represent the opinions of the original authors.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:25
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    @BenVoigt other people can (and do) use content from SO, including various sites that effectively mirror the content; all that the license requires is that they provide a link back to the original. To use your opening example, your answer could be used on a white-supremacist site and they would be required to provide a link back to you as attribution (see e.g. blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/06/attribution-required).
    – jonrsharpe
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:28
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    Explicit or implicit, it still requires that most reasonable folks believe that ALL users "endorse" the name, logo, art, colors, catchphrases, etc. in the header of every site using CC-SA. (Which also means we're all in constant violation of it.) You could ask a lawyer, but I think that one's pretty clear.
    – Jaydles Staff
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:30
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    And no, CC BY-SA doesn't grant the right to demand removal of work, nor do I mean to suggest that it does. As copyright owner I automatically have that right -- your right to use my content without my continuing permission is wholly dependent on a perpetual grant of the CC BY-SA license. If the license is violated, you'd have to remove content when I, as copyright holder, choose to assert my rights (there's a whole takedown request process -- Yuck!). I do NOT want to go down that path. Which I already said in the original post.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:30
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    @BenVoigt, I'm not quite saying any mingling is okay. For example, if some site published your post and usercard with links back (so they ARE attributing properly), but edited a swastika onto the card itself, you'd likely have some legal argument, because they did things that made it look to most people like YOU endorse some nazi thing. But a Nazi website re-using your stuff probably couldn't be stopped, as long as they don't do anything likely to imply to most people that you endorse them specifically.
    – Jaydles Staff
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:33
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    @Jaydles: Ok, then look again at just how close the political message is to my name and image on the profile page, and consider whether that might be a little too close for comfort and whether profile pages of individual users might not be the best place for this (or at least, it should be opt-in based). Even though you feel that those sections of the license don't technically apply here, is making changes to our personal profile pages worth the user dissatisfaction? (On the one hand, I realize the profile automatically changed with everything else, on the other hand, it wouldn't be
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:43
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    @BenVoigt: the DMCA takedown procedure is for when a third party copyright has been violated, where whomever posted the content did not have the right to do so. Don't confuse that with content being posted that is wholly yours to enter into the agreement.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:49
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    I brought my complaint and suggested fix here because I hoped that sanity would prevail, someone would take one look and go "Oh, we really didn't intend for this to go on user profiles and upset people", and everyone would be back to asking difficult C++ questions.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:50
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    @BenVoigt: the moment you post, you agree to the terms. There is no backsies here, you cannot go oh, no, I don't agree anymore. That's not how it works. If you think it works otherwise, I suggest you either consult a lawyer and stop posting altogether until you can verify that your interpretation holds any water.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:56
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    @MartijnPieters: I understand that the license is perpetual. That's not the same as unconditional. This is covered in section 7 of the license.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 19:00
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    @BenVoigt: the Stack Exchange Terms of Service use the word irrevocably.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 19:11
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    @BenVoigt sanity is prevailing, you just disagree with the outcome.
    – jonrsharpe
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 19:13
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    @MartijnPieters: irrevocably is also not the same as unconditionally. The license still terminates if and when section 7 says it does.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 19:13
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    From what I know, licensing != giving away and licensing != selling, so licenses are inherently revocable. I don't think that something can be irrevocably licensed. Especially, if there are conditions.
    – beerwin
    Commented Jun 29, 2015 at 13:30
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You seem to have helpfully pointed out, through bold text, why your argument isn't even internally consistent:

You may not implicitly or explicitly assert or imply any connection with, sponsorship or endorsement by the Original Author, Licensor and/or Attribution Parties, as appropriate, of You or Your use of the Work, without the separate, express prior written permission of the Original Author, Licensor and/or Attribution Parties.

StackExchange isn't allowed to imply that you endorse them. And yet, they've flagrantly shown their logo on your user page since the moment you signed up! So either:

  • Showing a logo on your user page (and above your questions/answers) doesn't imply endorsement by you of that logo, or
  • StackExchange has consistently been violating the license for most/all of the time it's existed, for every single user, and up until now nobody has noticed and complained. And when you did choose to complain, you needlessly complicated it with a red herring about gay marriage, and offered a "solution" which wouldn't fix anything.

So, which is it?

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    Signing up provided my permission to be associated with Stack Overflow in certain ways. On Friday, Stack Exchange began using my content to imply endorsement of an entirely different event, without obtaining permission. That goes contrary to common sense, moral rights concerning my personal brand, and also the guarantees of the license. It shouldn't even be necessary for the license to enter into this, Stack Exchange should have avoided implications connecting individual users to its new position. But to claim that the new use of my work is completely equivalent to the old use?
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 28, 2015 at 13:01
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    That just doesn't pass the smell test, nor does your answer.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 28, 2015 at 13:01
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    @BenVoigt Sure, and if this question had been "I feel vaguely aggrieved", then that would be fine. But if you want to make a legal claim, some basic logical consistency is required. SE is no more allowed to imply you endorse them than that you endorse gay marriage. It's simple, straightforward, and there in black and white Commented Jun 28, 2015 at 19:55
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    Not exactly. Stack Exchange isn't allowed to imply a connection, sponsorship, or endorsement between myself and them without my prior express permission. I did give them permission to create a profile page for me to contain my work, name, and image, by signing up for an account. But now they're using my work, name, and image in close proximity to a sociopolitical statement, without the usual disclaimer clarifying who the statement speaks for, without obtaining a separate permission for that use. That violates my moral rights to control my brand, and I think it also violates the license.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 28, 2015 at 21:46
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    Now, it is quite possible that the permission I provided by signing up for an account falls short of "express prior written permission" required by the license, in which case their placement of the normal logo on my profile page could also be a violation. I'm neither disputing their right to continue displaying the logo in a way that's substantially equivalent to the profile page which existing when I signed up, nor am I stating any opinion that they have met the license obligations in that regard. I am saying that addition of a politically-charged logo and mouseover text creates a
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 28, 2015 at 21:50
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    very different implication which is not covered by any permission I have given, whether prior or not, express or not, written or not. All I am asking is that they remove the implication, which can be accomplished by removing the political message, or clarifying that it does not represent individual users, or some combination thereof (for example, complete removal from user profile pages, and disclaimer linked from other pages where the message appears)
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 28, 2015 at 21:52
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    @BenVoigt Yes, I understand that you're disputing only the rainbow logo and not the normal one. That's what I'm pointing out is inconsistent. Commented Jun 28, 2015 at 22:53
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    @BenVoigt And this explanation about how oh, maybe it's kinda more in violation of the license to imply endorsement of a political stance than of a company (even though the license makes no mention of that) and maybe you kinda gave them written permission to say you endorse them when you signed up even though you clearly didn't... that seems a lot less convincing than "displaying a logo doesn't imply endorsement", which coincidentally seems to be the conclusion that this site, Wikipedia, etc. have come to. Commented Jun 28, 2015 at 22:53
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    You are aware that right now, there is not "just a logo", correct ? If you could discover what the rainbow meant only by clicking through to another page, that would be a perfect place for a disclaimer that would trivially solve this. But currently the political speech is directly on my profile page, in the main portion not the header, where everything else is directly related to my account and contributions. I definitely think it is misleading and implies my support.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 28, 2015 at 22:58
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    Note that I don't have to say that "Stack Exchange had previously been following the license to the letter and every last jot and tittle", in order to say that now, they have violated the spirit of that agreement and probably also the letter.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 28, 2015 at 23:00
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    You are presenting a false dichotomy. The normal SO logo clearly makes no association with any controversial issue. So naturally no one has complained about it appearing above his user profile. The modified SO logo clearly makes a statement in favor of the SCOTUS outcome and gay "marriage." So naturally people strongly opposed to those things are complaining now. Commented Jun 29, 2015 at 22:51
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    @TimothyShields It's not a false dichotomy- the second option is exactly what you stated, that SO has always been in violation of its license but nobody has complained until now. And if this is the case, then his proposed solution is indeed irrelevant- SO would be no less in violation of the license after changing the logo back. Commented Jun 30, 2015 at 2:07
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    @TimothyShields But really, the idea that this site, and other sites that publish content under CC BY-SA like Wikipedia have been flagrantly in violation of their license for years and it just hasn't come up seems pretty ludicrous. Wikipedia for example regularly posts banners asking for money and even did their (political) anti-SOPA campaign. The idea that they've been implicitly telling us that every single one of their users endorses their fundraising and political activism and none of their lawyers, and nobody who minds has noticed, seems hard to believe. Commented Jun 30, 2015 at 2:08
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The links at the bottom of all of the pages have always pointed to this text:

Stack Exchange, Inc. does not discriminate in employment matters on the basis of race, color, religion, gender, national origin, age, military service eligibility, veteran status, sexual orientation, marital status, disability, or any other protected class. We support workplace diversity.

So the site has always taken a public position in this area. So, you are arguing that temporarily changing the logo colors connects you to view about 'sexual orientation' and 'marital status' in a way that an explicit statement in actual English does not. That seems rather far-fetched to me.

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    In that statement the speaker is very clear. Which is what I have requested in regard to the rainbow logo and mouse over text.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 29, 2015 at 22:39
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    The day a reasonable person thinks a site logo is under any user control, or that your brand includes another entity's trademark and/or dress is the day "you violated my rights" makes any sense
    – random
    Commented Jun 30, 2015 at 15:43
  • Incidentally, I agree with the full text that you quoted—but wish to point out that agreement with it does not imply a belief that marriage (between a man and a woman) and partnership (between two people of the same sex) must not be distinguished by using different terms. (cont'd)
    – Wildcard
    Commented Feb 22, 2017 at 18:52
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    (cont'd) There is a non-negligible population who don't object to people living whatever lifestyle of their choosing (including sexual relations and financial co-support), but who do object to what they perceive as a "hijacking" of the label "marriage" to apply to relationships that cannot produce a continuation of the race through procreation. So your reasoning is specious; the public position you cite does not equate to or even imply the concepts declared by the mouseover text that @BenVoigt is objecting to. How important is this? That's a different question.
    – Wildcard
    Commented Feb 22, 2017 at 18:52
  • @Wildcard It is not a "lifestyle". A lifestyle is what pub you go to or what clothes you wear or what music you listen to. Who you are is not a "lifestyle". I cannot emphasise that enough. Commented Nov 13, 2019 at 12:00
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The best way to resolve this issue is to email [email protected] with the following request:

Dear Sir or Madam,

I link to my user page in many ways, directing others to it for personal and professional reasons. The recent logo change supporting a political or social cause on my user page unfortunately has the side effect of making my audience believe I support a specific cause or political agenda.

As we've seen recently programmers are being fired for espousing or expressing, even privately, a specific set of social or political beliefs.

I wish to be neutral in my professional life, and as such find that this logo is causing a problem. I cannot simply remove the links at this time - even if I could find all the web links and forums I've used it in, I cannot recall emails I've included it in.

As such I regretfully request that you delete my account and assign all my posts to an anonymous user account, per your policy.

This affects my account(s) as follows. You'll note that I've edited my user page to say "DELETE ME".

...list of links to user pages of users you want deleted...

Thank you for your time and assistance.

For my part, I'll wait several hours and see if either I change my mind, or the site changes its position before I do this.

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    Unacceptable. I should not have to choose between having credit for my content and protecting my brand. The CC BY-SA license under which I chose to contribute that content guarantees both. So, if Stack Exchange proves unreasonable now that diamond moderators are aware of my complaint, and I have to send such a request, it will include the removal, not anonymization, of my contributions.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 17:19
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    Other than anonymization vs removal, however, I do like your phrasing.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 17:19
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    BTW, if anyone knows a convenient way to archive my contributions, either using the cc-wiki-dump or Data Explorer, I'd appreciate some pointers.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 17:22
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    You're welcome @BenVoigt
    – rene
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 17:28
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    @rene: Thank you very much, looks like that takes care of (latest revision of) all the text content.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 17:34
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    The PostHistory table has all the edit/retags etc, in case you want that as well but I leave it to you to fork the basis and improve from there... (but I rather don't see you go).
    – rene
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 17:37
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    Account deletion is on a 24 hour timer after manual activation by an SE employee, and the logo is only changed for the weekend. The deletion is unlikely to happen before the regular logo is restored. Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 17:41
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    @rene: So do I, that's why I wrote above that "I'm pointing this out on Meta at this time, rather than via the legal contact form, because I have hope that this matter can be amicably resolved. In my estimation, Stack Exchange has simply been a little careless about their responsibilities concerning messages which do not represent the views of contributors, and will quickly cure the violation, without need for closing accounts, takedown notices, or stronger legal actions."
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 17:41
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    Better Link for programmers are being fired (IMHO): en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brendan_Eich#Mozilla
    – jkd
    Commented Jun 28, 2015 at 4:23
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    Eich didn't really lose his job as a programmer, he lost his position as chief executive of a very unique corporation.
    – Jeremy Banks Mod
    Commented Jun 28, 2015 at 7:37
  • Eich actually stepped down and resigned according to jkd's link, apparently realizing he could not be an effective leader. Commented Dec 14, 2018 at 7:09
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Since my comment on another question generated this question, I'll answer.

First some preliminaries:

  • I am a computational physicist, not a lawyer, so any opinions
    expressed on legal issues are those of a layperson.

  • I will not discuss my personal opinion on the SCOTUS decision as I
    see it as largely irrelevant to the question at hand.

  • It should go without saying, but I am not affiliated with StackExchange in any capacity and I do not speak for them. I am just another user and my opinions are my own.

What I am failing to see is how exactly, the OP of this question is materially harmed by the expression by StackExchange of an opinion on a political issue that is congruent with that of what is, now, a growing majority of Americans.

The OP may not like that fact, and , particularly in the USA, is free to express his dissent with that growing majority opinion in myriad ways.

But IMO he has failed to show professional harm to himself because StackExchange has chosen to express a political opinion with which he disagrees.

That the OP is a "Constitutional originalist" actually undermines his argument. For "Constitutionally originalist" SCOTUS majorities have delivered many decisions that establish that private companies enjoy many of the rights of individuals, including the right to express political opinions.

Now if the OP could show, to the satisfaction of a court, that he was materially harmed by StackExchange changing their logo, e.g that he was denied jobs or contracts because he was seen as insufficiently originalist, he might have a cause of action. This seems unlikely; again, the trend in the USA is for more and more corporations, even in traditionally conservative industries such as oil and defense, to adopt corporate policies supporting LGBT rights.

Absent that, at best , he might- or might not- be able to claim a technical violation of the CC-BY-SA license. In my layperson's opinion this claim is spurious, but I am open to rebuttal by an intellectual property lawyer. As to the OP, who is also not known to me to be a lawyer, we will have to agree to disagree.

I am failing to see as well why my suggestion of a disclaimer on the OPs profile fails to mitigate such concerns. Something along the lines of

I consistently support (across the Internet and in real life) an originalist view of Constitutional interpretation. Therefore, no inference should be drawn that opinions expressed by StackExchange are shared by me.

The OP seems on the verge of quitting SO over this issue, which, in my view, would be a shame, because he seems to have contributed a great deal of valuable technical content.

And by the way I did not downvote the OP, because I support this right to dissent. But I do not support his insistence on suppressing StackExchange's expression of a political opinion with which he disagrees.

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    In your view, is Stack Exchange, Inc.'s expression suppressed by my proposed compromise? "the rainbow logo be immediately removed from user profile pages (all tabs), and that a disclaimer be added to the logo on other pages, in such a fashion that it appears in mouseover text and also when the page is printed, stating that the message represents the viewpoint of Stack Exchange, Inc., but may not reflect the views of individual users."
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:02
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    In no way have I suggested that Stack Exchange doesn't have the right to disseminate their opinion. If you think I have, then please reread my post more slowly. I'm against their use of my profile and my writing in connection with their opinion.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:04
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    Also, this post was coming anyway, your comment prompted me to add one additional paragraph, and since I'm aware that many people judge meta posts on first impressions, I chose to put that paragraph at the top.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:05
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    BTW, you may change "also not known to me to be a lawyer" to "also not a lawyer". I freely admit that I am not a lawyer -- I have neither law degree nor license, only my understanding and a firm belief that it is immoral to write laws or contracts in a way that common people can't understand and discuss.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:08
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    It is up to you and StackExchange to negotiate if you find their content objectionable. I hope that some mutually agreeable compromise can be reached so that your valuable contributions can be preserved.
    – paisanco
    Commented Jun 27, 2015 at 18:16
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    There should be no StackExchange's expression of a political opinion at all, isn't it just that simple ? I'm annoyed that the rainbow and slogan were there, and I would be as annoyed by a "pro-traditional-marriage" logo / slogan. And I swear that until now I always honestly assumed that this was the default spirit on any website for programmers that does not explicitly state in its name or license any political orientation. Hard to believe of SE. I'll just put my own "no-politics-intended" disclaimer in my profile for the next time that SE places other political stuff there. Commented Mar 2, 2016 at 12:10

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