Timeline for Remember when you promised not to imply that I support your political message?
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Jun 30, 2015 at 12:47 | comment | added | cpast | @beerwin Your understanding of this is incorrect. Licenses in the US can be revoked after 35 years, but they can be irrevocable until then. | |
Jun 29, 2015 at 13:30 | comment | added | beerwin | From what I know, licensing != giving away and licensing != selling, so licenses are inherently revocable. I don't think that something can be irrevocably licensed. Especially, if there are conditions. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 19:13 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @MartijnPieters: irrevocably is also not the same as unconditionally. The license still terminates if and when section 7 says it does. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 19:13 | comment | added | jonrsharpe | @BenVoigt sanity is prevailing, you just disagree with the outcome. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 19:11 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | @BenVoigt: the Stack Exchange Terms of Service use the word irrevocably. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 19:00 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @MartijnPieters: I understand that the license is perpetual. That's not the same as unconditional. This is covered in section 7 of the license. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:56 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | @BenVoigt: the moment you post, you agree to the terms. There is no backsies here, you cannot go oh, no, I don't agree anymore. That's not how it works. If you think it works otherwise, I suggest you either consult a lawyer and stop posting altogether until you can verify that your interpretation holds any water. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:51 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @MartijnPieters: It applies where there is no agreement. Either because the person who posted has no right to enter an agreement, or because the license terms weren't followed, terminating the agreement. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:50 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | I brought my complaint and suggested fix here because I hoped that sanity would prevail, someone would take one look and go "Oh, we really didn't intend for this to go on user profiles and upset people", and everyone would be back to asking difficult C++ questions. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:49 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | @BenVoigt: the DMCA takedown procedure is for when a third party copyright has been violated, where whomever posted the content did not have the right to do so. Don't confuse that with content being posted that is wholly yours to enter into the agreement. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:44 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | difficult to leave the normal logo on profiles... an opt-in/opt-out mechanism is obviously a much higher implementation cost) | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:43 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Jaydles: Ok, then look again at just how close the political message is to my name and image on the profile page, and consider whether that might be a little too close for comfort and whether profile pages of individual users might not be the best place for this (or at least, it should be opt-in based). Even though you feel that those sections of the license don't technically apply here, is making changes to our personal profile pages worth the user dissatisfaction? (On the one hand, I realize the profile automatically changed with everything else, on the other hand, it wouldn't be | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:37 | history | edited | user50049 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jun 27, 2015 at 18:36 | history | edited | Martin Smith | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Ben took or Ben has taken?
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Jun 27, 2015 at 18:33 | comment | added | Jaydles Staff | @BenVoigt, I'm not quite saying any mingling is okay. For example, if some site published your post and usercard with links back (so they ARE attributing properly), but edited a swastika onto the card itself, you'd likely have some legal argument, because they did things that made it look to most people like YOU endorse some nazi thing. But a Nazi website re-using your stuff probably couldn't be stopped, as long as they don't do anything likely to imply to most people that you endorse them specifically. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:32 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @jonrsharpe: Indeed, they would have to provide an attribution, and they could use the content as long as they abide by CC BY-SA, and particularly that requires that "You may not implicitly or explicitly assert or imply any connection with, sponsorship or endorsement by the Original Author, Licensor and/or Attribution Parties, as appropriate, of You or Your use of the Work, without the separate, express prior written permission of the Original Author, Licensor and/or Attribution Parties." | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:30 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | And no, CC BY-SA doesn't grant the right to demand removal of work, nor do I mean to suggest that it does. As copyright owner I automatically have that right -- your right to use my content without my continuing permission is wholly dependent on a perpetual grant of the CC BY-SA license. If the license is violated, you'd have to remove content when I, as copyright holder, choose to assert my rights (there's a whole takedown request process -- Yuck!). I do NOT want to go down that path. Which I already said in the original post. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:30 | comment | added | Jaydles Staff | Explicit or implicit, it still requires that most reasonable folks believe that ALL users "endorse" the name, logo, art, colors, catchphrases, etc. in the header of every site using CC-SA. (Which also means we're all in constant violation of it.) You could ask a lawyer, but I think that one's pretty clear. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:28 | comment | added | jonrsharpe | @BenVoigt other people can (and do) use content from SO, including various sites that effectively mirror the content; all that the license requires is that they provide a link back to the original. To use your opening example, your answer could be used on a white-supremacist site and they would be required to provide a link back to you as attribution (see e.g. blog.stackoverflow.com/2009/06/attribution-required). | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:25 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | Finally, are you saying that our content can be used under CC BY-SA by whomever, however, as long as they link back to SO? Because I don't think it is acceptable to intermingle our technical contributions with (whatever the offensive image of the week is) without clearly disclaiming that the combination is made by the other site and does not represent the opinions of the original authors. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:21 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | Couple things -- you gave an example of "explicit" endorsements, while the license clearly also includes implied connections, sponsorships, and endorsements, and those aren't limited to your "sneaky" example. Then, I think it's reasonable to say that when I signed up for a user account, I authorized a certain connection between myself and Stack Overflow. The change to the logo, and especially adding the mouseover text, dramatically changed the nature of that connection, such that it isn't covered by my earlier agreement. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:19 | history | edited | JaydlesStaff | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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Jun 27, 2015 at 18:14 | history | answered | JaydlesStaff | CC BY-SA 3.0 |