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Nov 13, 2019 at 11:56 | comment | added | Lightness Races in Orbit | Imagine being this angry about people being nice to other people. Being nice to people is not "politics". Getting angry about being nice to people is also not "politics". It's just being, well, not nice to people. | |
Feb 12, 2019 at 9:09 | comment | added | aloisdg | Nice example of the Streisand effect. I had never knew about this icon if OP didnt try to remove it. Well done SO. Thank you for trying to make the world a better place :) | |
Dec 14, 2018 at 7:58 | comment | added | CrackpotCrocodile | My take-away: Regardless of intent, from the comments and answers, it's clear that people aren't really buying the whole I'm-actually-not-a-homophobe argument. Now if that someone actually weren't a homophobe, they probably wouldn't want to be associated with the content that makes them look like one, and would ask to be disassociated from it. Otherwise, all that wouldn't really be an issue for them, and they might instead insist were right all along and keep showing it around to people. In this case, said user has kept in on their profile for 3+ years. Sums it up for me. | |
Nov 14, 2017 at 22:29 | comment | added | autistic | @MartinSmith I had the impression from the screenshot that Ben had written "Marry whomever you love. ..." and so forth. Do you think a judge who is unfamiliar with the network might form a similar opinion? | |
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Jan 31, 2017 at 5:46 | comment | added | Koray Tugay | I think your passport photo looks really nice under a rainbow. | |
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Mar 31, 2016 at 20:05 | comment | added | TylerH | The case here is simply that you have inferred something which was not implied. Therefore the whole case is moot. | |
Mar 31, 2016 at 19:58 | comment | added | TylerH | "It is indisputable that placing the logo and mouseover text on user profile pages creates a "connection with" the user." Yes it is disputable. I don't see it creating a connection with the user at all. The only connection the user has is to the site, not to whatever logo the site uses. BTW, part of the Constitution mentions "No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person [...] within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws." | |
Jul 1, 2015 at 23:49 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Barry So are you recanting your previous comment that they have the power to decide this case because they ruled that they do, in favor of some other source of jurisdiction? Because as it stands, your words support my point not yours. | |
Jul 1, 2015 at 10:55 | comment | added | Barry | @BenVoigt You're more than welcome to dislike SCOTUS outcomes (I dislike many of them myself), just as you're more than welcome for some reason to still keep that surreal disclaimer on your profile page longer after the reason for it has gone, but to claim it illegitimate is more than a little sad. | |
Jul 1, 2015 at 10:53 | comment | added | Barry | @BenVoigt The majority ruled that the 14th amendment grants a fundamental right to marriage. SCOTUS does not need a hall pass from either of the other two branches to interpret constitutional amendments. It wouldn't be a particularly independent branch of government if it did. Perhaps the issue is that for all your claims of originalism and loving the constitution, you just don't like the outcome - so you decided therefore that it must be illegitimate. | |
Jul 1, 2015 at 4:17 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @TonyK: BTW, you can get a higher resolution version straight from the source. | |
Jul 1, 2015 at 2:47 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Barry: You didn't say that the Constitution granted SCOTUS jurisdiction. You didn't say that Congress passed (and the President signed) a law giving SCOTUS jurisdiction here. You said (quite correctly) that SCOTUS wrote an opinion giving themselves jurisdiction, which is exactly my point. They bypassed the other two branches of government, not just according to me, but according to your own comment. It's sad that you know exactly what happened, and you still can't see that it is wrong. | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 14:15 | comment | added | cpast | @TimothyShields Neither are the claims that this is somehow not allowed. | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 14:01 | comment | added | Barry | @BenVoigt I made your point that you come across as unhinged? I'm glad you agree with me there. It's a LOGO dude, get over yourself. | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 13:54 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @barry You just made my point | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 13:48 | comment | added | Barry | @BenVoigt Sure I can. The majority ruled that it's within their powers to do so, therefore it is. That's how it works. It's literally their job to make that decision. It's also utterly irrelevant to the question of the logo, so it comes off as pretty unhinged. | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 13:07 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Ulrich sites that fail to mark ads with "ADVERTISEMENT" often confuse visitors, to the point where projects actually leave Sourceforge over it (I can link references if you like). I hope Stack Exchange is not among those (I don't know because I haven't visited without being logged in). | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 13:06 | comment | added | Cerbrus | @BenVoigt: I wasn't aware that that's the commonly used term. (Native language is Dutch). Learned something today :-) | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 13:03 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Cerbrus I wouldn't use the term "brand" myself except that it is the commonly used word for this. | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 13:00 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Barry when the other four justices describe the decision as encroaching on legislative powers, you cannot call my opinion uninformed. | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 12:26 | comment | added | Barry | "...having five black-robed officials assume for themselves the roles of executive, legislature, and judiciary doesn't..." First of all, have some respect for the Supreme Court. You're painting them like Harry Potter villains. Secondly, they assumed for the themselves the role of the judiciary. If you're going to attempt to make a legalistic argument, the least you could do is understand the role of SCOTUS in our government. It's impossible to take anything you wrote seriously after that - it's just, to borrow a phrase, jiggery-pokery. | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 12:22 | comment | added | Barry | There is some serious irony in you combating perceived (and imaginary) damage to your "brand" by coming here and doing actual damage to it. | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 11:14 | comment | added | Jonathan Mee | @BenVoigt Ben, I've always respected you as a programmer and will continue to do so. I find myself deeply disappointed that stackoverflow.com has placed you in a position where your only recourse for not supporting a political agenda is to make a political statement such as this one. I would like to add that I respect your logical approach but I fear I am not in the majority, as any statement that disagrees with the US Supreme Courts decision is construed as "homophobic". | |
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Jun 30, 2015 at 9:27 | comment | added | Ulrich Schwarz | How, if at all, is this different from "I do not want to be associated with an ad on this page" or "I do not want to be associated with a question in the hot network sidebar"? | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 8:51 | comment | added | DavidG | I find this whole discussion baffling. My first thought is that if you had left well alone, your name wouldn't have been associated with this in any way. and any affiliation you think you have had thrust upon you would have gone away. Now this is all on Google for eternity. Secondly, the fact that this in any way damages your "online brand" makes me roll my eyes. Even if this were true, I wouldn't want to be associated with people who thought that way. | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 8:12 | comment | added | TonyK | Thank you for that screen shot, Ben! I filched my avatar from it. | |
Jun 30, 2015 at 6:04 | comment | added | Cerbrus | "My online brand"... Ben, you're taking your profile way too damn seriously. If you're worried about your reputation, you've already gone and ruined it for a lot of people, with this thread... I wonder, have you posted something like this on every site you use that has a rainbow logo? | |
Jun 29, 2015 at 22:46 | comment | added | Timothy Shields | The owners of SO should take this seriously - the answers here are not from lawyers, and this is a matter dissenting people feel very strongly about. I had the exact same reaction as Ben Voigt and do not appreciate that my contributions have suddenly been associated with an event I strongly disagree with on multiple levels. | |
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Jun 29, 2015 at 20:11 | comment | added | Kendra | Ben, though I had not had time to thoroughly read the post until now, as I had said in the comments of my answer, I am glad to have read it. Though after reading through the terms myself, I disagree this is (well, was) a violation of the terms. (For reasons already thoroughly discussed here.) I do appreciate how well you wrote out your side of the debate and thank you for linking the post on my answer so that I could read it. | |
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Jun 29, 2015 at 17:41 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Rene you could actually read Jaydles last paragraph where he thoroughly debunks your claim that I "argue against equality". Your attempt to redirect the discussion is thoroughly unhelpful. | |
Jun 29, 2015 at 17:37 | comment | added | René Roth | I always laugh at the great rethoric lengths some people are willing to go just to argue against equality on some asinine technicalities. This post of yours is way more harmful to your reputation than StackOverflow having a site-wide colored logo. | |
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Jun 28, 2015 at 15:02 | comment | added | 6502 | Just wanted to make it clear that I'm not a lawyer (I don't even like lawyers and I don't even read those screenfuls before clicking "I accept") but I don't think there is any reason for which SO couldn't have changed its logo. I think it was 100% within its choices to change the logo and I even actually like it did (for example I discovered about the ruling just because of that logo). What I'm saying is that SO could have kept the change only for the front page or just not on profile pages and doing a better service to everyone doing so. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:40 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | Let me be clear: I am not against Stack Exchange making factual statements about my relationship with them, including the ones that appear on my profile such as when I joined and how many parts I have made. I am against them attaching sociopolitical statements to my work in such a way as implies a false connection between those statements and myself. It is only the perception that the statements represent me that I am fighting. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:35 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | a connection between me and their political speech. (Where "could not" also means "should not, and could not without violating the spirit of the agreement and the trust users placed in them to speak truthfully", without addressing the legal permissibility) | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:32 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Frank I agree it it much better to approach this from a perspective other than legal obligation. Consider the quotes from the license to show the spirit of the relationship between users and Stack Exchange - I would not have posted a legal demands notice on Meta, which again, I already said in the original post. As for whether Stack Exchange itself came to mean something new, I would have to evaluate whether my relationship with them (which is real, not misconstrued) could continue. However even then, they could only state the facts of my associating with them, and not imply | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:23 | comment | added | Frank | Anyway, I am sympathetic to the request in the context of the points made by Adam Davis. The legal arguments here seems pretty weak (though obviously IANAL) and distract from the real reasons why SO should consider the support request. (The implicit threat and mention of your political beliefs are also a distraction, though the latter probably couldn't be avoided.) | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:14 | comment | added | Frank | Yeah, I agree that an argument is not false simply because it is abandoned. Regarding the proposed clarification/disclaimer: you are again referring to your remedy, not to the problem. I think your claim that you are facing a new problem here is not legitimate. If you find it problematic that a rainbow should appear on Stack Exchange (because of the political associations it and the hover text have), how much worse would it be if Stack Exchange itself came to mean something in the public sphere? Would you have a legal right to tell them what to do in that case? | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:12 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Frank again, providing reasoning that doesn't use a contested premise (or line of argument, if you prefer) does not mean that the original premise is false, it means that even if it were, there is still a point to be made. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:09 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Frank I fail to see how words of Stack Exchange could be misconstrued as representing me if, as I suggested, they added a clarification that the statement represents Stack Exchange Inc (or the individual employee), and not the users, which type of disclaimer is found very often these days, to the point where lacking it becomes a strong suggestion to the contrary. Or did you not read the complete post? | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:09 | comment | added | Frank | @BenVoigt Substitute "argument" for "premise" and that description seems more apposite. You're bargaining at this point, no longer making the case, from what I can see. And dismissing someone's very clear point as "not passing the smell test"? Okay, go ahead; that's an excellent way to be taken seriously. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:05 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Frank that is not an abandonment of the argument. Showing that a conclusion can be reached without relying on a contested premise is a common approach. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 13:01 | comment | added | Frank | [cont.] And that is why he has abandoned the argument and has retreated to something like "Isn't this too much bother? Just cave, why don't you, or stay silent next time?" Here's the quote from below: "Even though you feel that those sections of the license don't technically apply here, is making changes to our personal profile pages worth the user dissatisfaction?" | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 12:59 | comment | added | Frank | @6502 Okay. But that scenario is premised on a connection that might be drawn by a very specific hypothetical person. If we're instead going to speak of what some person I dream up might infer, why draw the line at rainbows? If Ben's argument held any water, he would be entitled to silence the entire SE staff (since any of their words could be viewed as a statement by SE, and hence by Ben), even if he isn't asking to go so far as to make that demand in this case. The simplicity of his "remedy" does not in any way amend the faults in his argument. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 12:36 | comment | added | 6502 | @Frank: If Ben doesn't want to be associated to SO it can delete its profile. IIUC Ben doesn't want to be associated with the celebration for something he doesn't agree on. I think it's ok that SO celebrates (yay!) ... I also think however that indeed if someone comes to Ben's profile directly from an external link it could be tricked into thinking that Ben is celebrating too. Ben solved this misunderstanding by changing its profile text but I think it's true that this trap is easy to fall in and therefore, by default, I think it would have been better to keep a regular logo on profile pages. | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 12:00 | comment | added | Frank | @6502 Sure, but that is not really a solution. "Stack Overflow" will still appear on Ben's profile page, and a hypothetical visitor might associate (1) Ben with SO and (2) SO with its public position on a political issue and hence (3) Ben with that position. Since the position has already been taken, the only solution is that Ben may fully brand all appearances of his content as he pleases, exclusively on benvoigt.com as opposed to Stack Overflow, since surely visitors can read the URL and infer things about him. (In other words, I think the "problem" is not cogent, much less a legal issue.) | |
Jun 28, 2015 at 8:41 | comment | added | 6502 | I think a simple technical solution could be replacing the rainbow logo/hover text with the original version on profile pages. Indeed coming to the profile page directly from an external link could give the impression of an association of Ben with a celebration of the ruling. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 23:21 | comment | added | Tim | @BenVoigt why did you not object to the old logo - that was suggesting you were endorsing SO was it not? Also, please get a lawyer, it would be interesting to see what they say. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 21:37 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @BenAaronson: Probably, since the response from Stack Exchange chose to avoid rendering the hoped-for opinion on the moral ramifications of adding political speech to profile pages. (This is why I chose Meta rather than the official legal contact) For obvious reasons, I don't expect an admission of legal wrongdoing from an SE employee; but I thought they might concede that user profile pages establish a stronger implied link than they intended. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 21:12 | answer | added | Ben Aaronson | timeline score: 54 | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 20:57 | comment | added | Ben Aaronson | Maybe somebody should cross-post this to the Law StackExchange... | |
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Jun 27, 2015 at 19:23 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @enki.dev: There are lots of users who don't want Stack Overflow used for political purposes, and even more who would opt-in if given the chance, but don't like that they have no choice in the matter. I've found that I'm able to enunciate the particular objection, apart from the political flashpoint, much better than most (last time around, the objection was using SO meta for recruitment, the flashpoint was sexism), so if the price of having a real conversation instead of name-calling is that I have to be in the middle of it, so be it. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 19:06 | comment | added | matt. | @BenVoigt I personally think you've drawn 100x more attention to yourself by getting all worked up and making numerous posts about it. YES, you're upset, you have a right to be upset, but really... people aren't assuming your gay just because S.O changed THEIR logo for a few days man. Try and chill out. You have every right to cancel your account if you don't agree with how you're being treated or if you don't agree with the views of S.O. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:38 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | @BenVoigt: I was not discussing your legal theory, Jaydles addresses that. I am questioning why you are getting so worked up over this. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:37 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @MartijnPieters: You asked "What if people see this as a positive thing?" The license STILL applies and still requires written opt-in before creating a connection between a message, negative or positive, and my content. See this comment and this one | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:28 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | @BenVoigt: and what if people see this as a positive thing? You are projecting your own interpretation of the logo onto others. Perhaps you should trust people more? And the majority of people do not live in isolation. The demographic that visits SO also visits Google, GitHub, Bitbucket, Twitter, etc. etc. etc. Chances that someone comes across just your profile and makes that leap are ridiculously small. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:16 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @random: The mouseover text says "Marry whomever you love." I don't agree (and probably neither do you), I support quite a number of restrictions concerning consanguinity, age, consent, mental state. (It shouldn't need to be said, but yes, also restrictions on species and number of parties) Most of these restrictions are not particularly controversial. Whether or not I support recognition of same-sex marriages is not actually relevant, the issue is that Stack Exchange has added a statement of support to various pages where my content appears, including my profile page. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:14 | answer | added | JaydlesStaff | timeline score: 125 | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:13 | comment | added | random | The usercard is the box bottom right of your posts. The profile page is the content from the Profile tab to the top of the footer block. Your profile sits on the same page as the logo, but does not include the logo | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 18:01 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | of a marriage only by filing hundreds of legal documents is absurd and benefits only lawyers, who get paid for document preparation time. I am 100% in favor of a streamlined process for two adults of sound mind to agree to a partnership of mutual emotional and financial support that gives visitation rights, pensions, shared property, etc, etc. And the couple being involved in a sexual relationship should not be a requirement (as some domestic partnership forms evidently demand). Make it available to lovers, army buddies, parent/child, siblings, and everyone else. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:57 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Deduplicator: Like I said in my last comment, "I am against having Stack Exchange attach any sociopolitical message to my online brand without my permission." Since it seems no one is going to give me peace until I reveal my thoughts on "civil rights for homosexual Americans", I will say two things: First, I am against the federal government seizing control of the definition of marriage from the states, even if all three branches agreed, except through the amendment process. Second, the whole "hospital visitation" thing is compelling, and the fact that these rights are available outside | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:55 | comment | added | random | So in essence you don't support marrying a developer who may or may not like rainbow coloured icons? | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:52 | answer | added | paisanco | timeline score: 20 | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:49 | comment | added | Deduplicator | Well, reading your profile, I'm not quite sure: Are you unhappy about the endorsement of any political message (even the association is tenuous, "endorsement" is really beyond reaching), are you unhappy with the supreme court decision irrespective of rationale, are you unhappy about the methodology of their rationale, or don't you concurr that the rationale leads to that decision? | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:48 | comment | added | Martin Smith | @ben I personally don't think people would assume either. Any more than they would make that inference from usage of github,twitter,American airlines or any other company that has used a rainbow logo in the last day. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:40 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @MartinSmith: So just to be clear, the point you are trying to make against my argument is that it's unlikely that anyone will find an implication that I support judicial activism, because in your opinion, the implication is that I support homosexual marriage? You realize whether the logo and its mouseover text on my profile page implies one, the other, both, or the meaning ascribed to rainbows in Genesis, makes no difference. I am against having Stack Exchange attach any sociopolitical message to my online brand without my permission. | |
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Jun 27, 2015 at 17:12 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | Ok, just wanted to check whether you were thinking that the "small rainbow" was somehow ambiguous as to meaning. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:11 | comment | added | jonrsharpe | Yes, I am; so what? It doesn't say "Ben Voigt is a hypocrite". | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:10 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @jonrsharpe: You are aware that the logo comes with mouseover text? | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:10 | comment | added | jonrsharpe | @BenVoigt because you didn't need to edit a disclaimer into it. I simply do not understand how you think anyone would draw the conclusion that you support gay marriage specifically or dynamic interpretation of the constitution generally from your membership of a site that has temporarily altered its logo. I also find it hard to believe that anyone who describes themselves as "[a consistent supporter of] an originalist view of Constitutional interpretation" would find a small rainbow to be particularly embarrassing, but I suppose that's a separate discussion. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:10 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @MartijnPieters: Assume that a viewer reached my profile page directly, either through Google or one of the links on other sites, and hasn't visited any other page of SO (ok, that's absurd, who hasn't visited SO. Instead, assume they haven't visited any other page of SO since the new logo was added -- that's possibly even worse, since MY PAGE appears DIFFERENT what what they're used to seeing). Up until now, my SO profile has been a valuable part of my personal brand, so there are links out there. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:07 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @jonrsharpe: Well, that is what Stack Exchange changed my profile page to. They didn't exactly give me warning that I was going to need to edit a disclaimer into it. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:07 | comment | added | Martijn Pieters Mod | Personally, I fail to see how anyone would confuse the logo of the site with anything in your profile or posts, or from the logo infer that you support the message. To me, this is making a huge huge mountain out of a molehill. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:05 | comment | added | jonrsharpe | @BenVoigt oh, I see; you could have mentioned that! I was going by the large picture in this question. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:04 | comment | added | jonrsharpe | @BenVoigt so what's the problem, exactly? | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:02 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @MartinSmith: Judicial activism has been around a lot longer than just yesterday. And closely associated with that rainbow. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 17:02 | comment | added | Martin Smith | But I thought your "reputational" claim was based on the "celebration of a ruling" and that was yesterday. Are you saying that you would be against the rainbow logo in any circumstance? | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:59 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @MartinSmith: And from looking at my profile page, or any Q&A page containing one of my answers, how exactly would you determine that the logo was added recently? Putting the logo on the site may have been inspired by the court decision, but the use of the rainbow is much much older. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:58 | comment | added | Martin Smith | Why would a visitor viewing your user profile - that clearly states you have been a member for 6 years, 1 month assume that the logo (inspired by a court decision yesterday) was in place when you chose to establish an account? | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:49 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @BillWoodger: Well, my views really don't matter in this discussion. Stack Exchange would equally, according to CC BY-SA, have to obtain my written permission before adding pro-life material to my profile page in a way that implied a connection to me. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:44 | comment | added | Bill Woodger | @BenVoigt Thanks. Search-enginineing now. Which side was Biden on? I'll probably discover. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:43 | comment | added | Bill Woodger | As for your consistent support of your views, I don't think realistically that many looking at your profile during this period would draw the conclusion you suggest. People who know you or hold the same views will realise it is just a website you have no personal control over. Other people won't have the remotest clue. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:42 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @Bill: It's a quote from a Joe Biden speech (or so the news reports, can't find transcript). | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:40 | comment | added | Bill Woodger | The slogan is nonsense. Unless it is an "official" slogan associated with the case or campaign for the case, I think most people won't realise the deeper connection. I've always been able to do what the slogan says, apart from already being married. Pretend it is two days ago, and just read it how it how the words appear, without external interpretation. I'd guess most people looking at your profile, and hovering, in this few days, would do that. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:29 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @random: Oh, you aren't using "usercard" as shorthand for "user profile page"? Do you mean the signature block? | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:29 | comment | added | random | Your usercard does not contain the logo. Unless it does, in which case you are misrepresenting yourself | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:19 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @MartinSmith: Please note that the wording separately mentions "connection", "association", and "endorsement". Furthermore, a visitor who isn't highly familiar with SO may, even as they realize that it is a site-wide logo, mistakenly assume that the logo was in place when I chose to establish an account, and thereby wrongly infer that I agree with it. There is no doubt that a connection has been created. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:18 | comment | added | random | They changed their logo, they didn't change the avatar on your usercard to imply your support for everyone now being able to marry a gay | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:17 | comment | added | Martin Smith |
It is indisputable that placing the logo and mouseover text on user profile pages creates a "connection with" the user. - No it isn't. It is clearly a site wide logo not one selected by the user.
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Jun 27, 2015 at 16:15 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | @hichris123: Did you read all bolded sections of the license? It concerns both an implied connection / impled association, and is clearly made to apply to Collections. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:15 | comment | added | user4413591 | Can we have an opt-out feature from the ribbon | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:15 | comment | added | hichris123 | The work is your post. Your work has not been modified in any way shape or form (although IANAL). | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:12 | comment | added | Ben Voigt | There's actually significant irony here, from people who assume that the majority vote dictates whether the minority gets to enjoy the rights promised by the CC BY-SA license. | |
Jun 27, 2015 at 16:10 | history | asked | Ben Voigt | CC BY-SA 3.0 |