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This week we rolled out a series of changes to improve parts of the question close workflow. Below are the changes and impacted sites.

Close & Flag screen updates

This change is live on Stack Overflow, international sites, and across the network. These updates are copy changes that aim to more accurately represent close reasons and reframes close flags more constructively. This update includes:

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  • Renamed title of ‘off-topic’ screen to ‘Why isn’t this question suited for [Community]?’’

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  • Renamed ‘should be closed’ option to ‘needs improvement’ on the primary flag screen, focusing the language on the 'why' vs. 'what' behind the flag.

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  • Renamed the title on ‘Should be closed’ screen to ‘Why should this be closed?’ and updated ‘off-topic’ within this screen to ‘A community-specific reason’

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  • Styling improvements to “Manage [Community] specific close-reasons” (previously called “Manage off-topic close reasons”) screen for mods and the ability to define the post notice content so that it matches close reason more specifically, rather than being generic text.

Big thanks to SO/SE mods for feedback on renaming here.

Improved closed question editor

This change is live on Stack Overflow and International sites now and will roll out to network sites once we’ve resolved any glaring issues. This update borrows UI patterns from the new Ask a Question flow. The goal is to provide a richer, guided experience for users editing questions that are closed.

Post authors will know why their question was closed along with tips on how to improve it.

Tips modal example

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From there, users will see a similar editor and review step to the question flow experience where guidance is provided in the right rail.

Closed question editor example

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Email and Inbox notifications for closed questions

This is launching on Monday (April 20) on Stack Overflow as an A/B test. This update sends question authors an inbox notification when their question is closed. The idea is that the inbox notification will guide users to their closed question and the post notice displayed there will encourage them to edit the question to improve it.

If there are no edits, the question remains closed, and hasn't been deleted within an hour of closure, we'll also send a follow-up email with guidance about what to do next.

It’s running as an A/B test so that we can measure how effective these notifications are in guiding users to edit their questions.

(Update: The experiment has finished, and the closed post inbox notification has graduated and is live on all sites. There is now a new experiment that is live testing how effective the email is. Read more about it in the official announcement.)

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Email example

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There has already been some feedback around naming updates, thank you. We've flagged those and are reviewing them. Let us know if you have more feedback or questions.

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    Thanks for the announcement, Des! Please pass on the following to whomever it may concern: this kind of announcement about a major feature change really needs to be posted before the change is made, not a week after. Preferably it would be posted as a joint announcement and request for feedback, so that the hundreds of people using these features every day can provide input/improvement recommendations before the change goes live.
    – TylerH
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 18:39
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    @TylerH appreciate that and agree. I take responsibility for the delay here. Going forward we'll make sure it goes out the same time as the update.
    – Des StaffMod
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 18:44
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    This all looks great, I love how you incorporated the ability of moderators to be more involved with the close reasons and refined the wording of "off topic". In my opinion, the set of close reasons and the wording surrounding it is/was outdated, and this makes great strides towards modernizing that, also helps ensure it stays up to date.
    – Travis J
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 18:47
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    I offered some general thoughts on the flag window on Meta.SE
    – Machavity Mod
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 18:56
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    "Going forward we'll make sure it goes out the same time as the update." Going out at the same time does not allow people to become aware of it early and expect it. They will still be in reactive mode when things suddenly change. Going out before the change gives users the chance to be ready for it.
    – Taplar
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 20:08
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    Is it possible to Know whether the question or answer has an existing flag (like the close(2) count) ? Commented Apr 18, 2020 at 11:21
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    @Taplar I think that's reasonable, whenever possible. I'll take this feedback back to our team. Sharing things on meta earlier, in general, is something we're actively working on.
    – Des StaffMod
    Commented Apr 18, 2020 at 17:52
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    @Des, when posting an announcement for changes that are rolled out network-wide, could you make that announcement (also?) in Meta Stack Exchange? As I don't frequently visit SO, but do use other network sites regularly, it was only by accident that I stumbled upon this announcement. Commented Apr 20, 2020 at 12:15
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    @BartvanIngenSchenau I did post on MSE here. let me know if you feel that wasn't sufficient. Thanks!
    – Des StaffMod
    Commented Apr 20, 2020 at 18:00
  • @Des, thanks. I now remember seeing that post, but I guess it didn't register enough with me to be able to find it back after a few days. Commented Apr 21, 2020 at 5:45
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    At this point I don't even understand what to choose when voting for closure anymore. I pick something, but after voting I feel like that was the wrong thing to pick, and it leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. Please stop randomly changing the wording every now and then. Close reasons were already worded pretty badly (IMHO), changing it around to something else that is still bad does not solve anything. Commented Apr 24, 2020 at 13:43
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    AFAIK, people asking questions get no indication as to why there are one or two votes to close the question until it is closed, so it doesn't really give them much indication of what they can do to improve their question till it is too late. Seems a bit cruel... Commented Apr 25, 2020 at 11:35
  • I think that from one side is a good thing; from the other side, many people could mark as "closeable" right questions for no reason. Commented May 4, 2020 at 10:31
  • What is the intended distinction between the top level "Needs Details or Clarity" and the Community-specific Stack Overflow "Needs Debugging Details"?
    – Tyler V
    Commented May 13, 2020 at 21:11
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    @TylerV Indeed. We now have "needs focus", "needs details" and "needs debugging details". How this turned out better than "too broad"/"unclear"/"seeking debugging help without providing the code to reproduce", nobody knows. In update #2 all these will all be replaced with "needs stuff".
    – Lundin
    Commented May 14, 2020 at 11:03

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Please bring the the little blue box around the remaining numbers of flags/votes back. It served so well to focus what is important.

Blue box

The image is cropped from a screen shot by Makyen

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    I think the removal is probably a consistency improvement; the blue box around existing votes is more important to let you know others have cast a vote. The blue box around remaining votes or flags is thus confusing because it can make a user think there are 100 other votes or flags. Also, the important thing isn't really how many votes/flags you have left, but whether there are already any on the post.
    – TylerH
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 19:31
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    @TylerH I see your point. However, there are really a lot of users <3K. The blue box will be nice for all of them. There's also nothing to suggest that one blue box will eliminate any of the others :) I say: Lets have them all. They could even be colour-coded, making it a little colour box request.
    – Scratte
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 19:35
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    I don't think the blue box adds any value even for sub-3K users. You have to read the grey text on both sides of the box to understand what the blue box number means anyway, at which point there's not any value in having a blue box around part of it.
    – TylerH
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 19:54
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    I respectfully disagree. It was easier to focus and go to straight to the number before. Now I have to read the entire sentence every time.
    – Scratte
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 19:57
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    Once you have read the sentence once, you shouldn't need to read it again (unless you forget what the number means). Beyond that, I'm not seeing why you need to 'focus' so much on how many flags you have left. Flag content while you have flags; when you don't have any, you won't be able to anyway.
    – TylerH
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 20:33
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    @TylerH It is not about reading it is about finding the part you want to read. With blue box you could just read the information in split second. Without it you need to scan the sentence to find where number begins.
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 21:25
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    @DalijaPrasnikar That doesn't require a bright blue box, though. Even just making the numeral bold would draw the eye.
    – Catija StaffMod
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 21:28
  • @DalijaPrasnikar I think Tyler's point was... you don't even really need to know how many flags you have left at all. Flag while you can, stop when you can't Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 21:38
  • @Catija That's true. But the box is cute :) (Typo fixed)
    – Scratte
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 21:43
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    @Nick I understand that from the PoV of someone who rarely uses up all of their flags... for people with only a handful of flags, though... I know that rationing them towards the end of the day is a thing they feel is necessary... to save the last few flags for blatantly problematic things like rude or abusive content or spam.
    – Catija StaffMod
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 22:01
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    How is this related?
    – S.S. Anne
    Commented Apr 18, 2020 at 0:14
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    @S.S.Anne The recent change to the dialog included removal of the blue box.
    – Scratte
    Commented Apr 18, 2020 at 0:15
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To me, the meaning of "Needs more focus" is rather different from the explanatory text "The question currently includes multiple questions in one. It should focus on one problem only." If the point of that option is to state that there are too many questions, then the bold text could make that clearer at first glance - something like

Asks multiple questions
The question currently includes multiple questions which would be better asked separately.

Looking at the explanations, a question that 'needs focus' but doesn't actually contain multiple questions (which is a common problem) should probably instead be marked as "Needs details or clarity".


EDIT: from one of the comments below, apparently "Needs focus" is basically supposed to mean the same thing as "too broad". In that case, the problem is with the "The question currently includes multiple questions in one" explanatory text. It's very common for something that's a single question to still be too broad. If someone asks "How do I make a website?", that's not multiple questions, but it is too broad. (It might still be fair to say that it could be split into multiple questions, but not that it currently includes multiple questions in one).

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    indeed, unfocused posts sometimes don't contain any clear questions - Then, would they not, instead be "needs detail or clarity"? I agree that having multiple questions isn't the sole reason for needing focus. The old close reason used to speak of questions that were broad enough to be the subject of entire books rather than something that was answerable in a few hundred or thousand characters.
    – Catija StaffMod
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 21:26
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    Needs more focus simply needs to be removed (expansion on that here). All that is really required for focus is detail, which is outlined in other places. We should be encouraging posts which generate multiple answers, however not those which ask multiple separate questions. I agree that Asks multiple questions is a good suggestion here, given that "Needs more focus" is removed entirely.
    – Travis J
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 21:34
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    An alternative example for "Asks multiple questions" could be ""Asks too many disparate questions": Avoid asking multiple distinct questions at once. Edit this to remove questions which can be asked in their own post."
    – Travis J
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 21:34
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    @Catija - They would need details or clarity, depending on the situation. Those should also be two separate close reasons. "Add "Needs details": There are not enough details provided to answer this question. Please edit this question with additional details to highlight exactly what you need. Add "Needs clarity": As it's currently written, it's hard to tell exactly what you're asking. Edit the question to clarify your specific problem."
    – Travis J
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 21:36
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    I think "needs focus" is for things that are "not narrow enough". "Asks too many Questions" is not the same as asking too broad a Question, like "How do I make a website" or "Can I write my own compiler like this".. it doesn't matter if they provide all the details, it's still too broad.
    – Scratte
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 21:54
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    Maybe a change of "This question currently includes multiple questions in one. It should focus on one problem only." to something like "This question is too broad to be practically answerable. It should focus on one problem only.". It needs more tuning though :)
    – Scratte
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 22:07
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    @Scratte you're describing the old Too Broad close reason. Which seemed really appropriate while "Needs Focus" weirdly itself needs to be properly focused.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 22:25
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    @Catija unfocused posts sometimes don't contain any clear questions - "Then, would they not, instead be "needs detail or clarity"? Maybe, and that's where the confusion is - there are two options where the bold text looks like it means something like "unclear", but when you look at the explanatory text, one of them actually means, specifically, "too many questions". Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 22:38
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    The old explanation of it taking a whole book to answer seemed perfect to me. Commented Apr 18, 2020 at 3:49
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    @Catija - If "needs focus" is supposed to mean "too broad", then the explanatory text "The question currently includes multiple questions" doesn't apply very well in many cases. If someone asks "what were the major developments in music in the second half of the 20th century?", that's definitely not multiple questions, but it probably is too broad. Commented Apr 18, 2020 at 10:05
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    Re: these comments, the critical distinction here is that we need two separate close reasons for two separate things: "it's unclear what you are asking" and "your Question<sup>1</sup> is too broad". The latter can and did mean both: "the question you have asked is not specific or narrow enough to be a good candidate for SO Q&A" and "you have asked too many questions", because... <sup>1</sup> - the Question (capitalized) is the post, not the/an interrogative phrase somewhere in the body. cc @Catija & Scratte
    – TylerH
    Commented Apr 20, 2020 at 13:51
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    please bring "too broad" back !
    – Vickel
    Commented Apr 21, 2020 at 1:12
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    @Catija I'm still encountering this issue where a question is too broad in scope (e.g. needs a blog post or book to answer) and none of the prescribed options cover it. "needs more detail" in no way makes a 'too broad in scope' question less broad in scope... A very detailed, very clear question about how to build a site that emulates Facebook's Newsfeed is still textbook "too broad" in scope but neither "needs detail" nor "needs more focus" apply when you look at the descriptions under those reasons.
    – TylerH
    Commented May 5, 2020 at 15:23
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    @Catija This answer is exactly true. The problem with "needs focus" is not necessarily that too many question are asked — though it might be. It also very well might be that one question is asked but it is way too big, like "How do I write an app like Twitter?" or "How do I implement search in my app?" Now that the explanation says it's too many questions, I am forced to use "needs details" instead, which is wrong too. The explanation needs to express my reasons.
    – matt
    Commented May 12, 2020 at 21:07
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    @Catija Here's a good example: stackoverflow.com/questions/61806734/… There is just one question: but it is "how do I write this entire app?" The text for lacking focus needs to explain what's wrong with that.
    – matt
    Commented May 14, 2020 at 23:47
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Email and Inbox notifications for closed questions

This is live on Stack Overflow as an A/B test. This update sends askers an inbox notification and email (if inbox notification was not viewed) when their question is closed, giving them guidance about what to do next. It’s running as an A/B test so that we can measure how effective these notifications are in guiding users to edit their questions.

Please consider enabling this for followers of questions as well.

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About general computing hardware and software

This question is more likely to get an answer on Super User.

These closure reasons now sound indistinguishable from the migration path A community-specific reason -> This question belongs on another site in the Stack Exchange network -> belongs on superuser.com. It just says that this question belongs elsewhere. The old closure text indicated that the question could be re-asked thus might not fit in its current form.

I find that it's now misleading as it sounds like the question could be copy pasted or maybe should just be moved. Yet, the reason to pick this closure reason rather than the migration path is because the question most likely wouldn't be a good fit in its current form on Super User. It can be posted again but following the standards of the other site.

About professional server- or networking-related infrastructure administration

This question is more likely to get an answer on Server Fault.

Same thing but there is no migration path to Server Fault. Yet this closure reason sounds like one.

I don't know what guidance would question authors be given if their post is closed using one of the above two reasons but it must emphasise that if re-asking on another stack, they should check the help centre and make sure the question fits.

Other than the guidance to authors, the guidance to close voters can be misleading. I assume that the closure reason is the same as before but I really cannot say - maybe there was a change in how this works? Even if there wasn't a change then, how is somebody who sees this dialog for the first time to understand what the difference between these close reasons and the migrations is?

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    FWIW I think it has always been silly to have two close reasons for the purpose of saying "this question belongs on Super User". While only one is an actual migration attempt to Super User, the other one basically says "ask this on super user instead". It's especially silly when we still don't have migration options to Software Engineering or Code Review but we have close reasons for Super User and a migration option for LaTeX.
    – TylerH
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 19:52
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    @TylerH I don't necessarily disagree. I do, however, only compare it to the previous version - now it's more unclear than before. But yes, if we have one closure reason that says "should be on Super User", we likely don't need a migration path. Or vice versa - if we have a migration path, we don't need a "please re-post this on Super User". Also, I wouldn't like a migration path for CR, since there are way too many suggestions that a question belongs there, when it's actually not a good fit. Having an automatic migration would mean just passing a hot potato around.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 19:57
  • Indeed I would prefer the 'ask' wizard/experience kick a user over to CR during the asking process rather than either of us having to worry about migrating/migrated content.
    – TylerH
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 20:31
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    I've kinda wondered this myself. The explanation I could come up with is that something being off topic and valid for SF or SU doesn't mean the question is in good enough shape to migrate. That said, this isn't really related to the changes we've made... these close reasons existed long before this. If you want to have a discussion of migration paths or community-specific close reasons, they are up to the community to decide with the exception that there's a limit of how many of each are allowed.
    – Catija StaffMod
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 20:47
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    Also worth remembering that migration paths are considered from both ends. If a migration path to SF is churning up too much junk, it might get shut down to avoid that. Some helpful pages (10k) - stackoverflow.com/tools/posts/migrated/stats and stackoverflow.com/tools/question-close-stats (which is currently broken but we're trying to figure out what died).
    – Catija StaffMod
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 21:01
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Unless it was actually intended to change how/when this should be used, please change the following option:

Not reproducible or was caused by a typo

..into something like:

No longer reproducible or was caused by a typo

Otherwise, its (inferred) use cases will overlap with "Needs debugging details" in many situations.

I believe my suggestion above is still concise enough and preserves the meaning of the original message which used to be:

This question was caused by a problem that can no longer be reproduced or a simple typographical error

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  • was going to post the same. "Not reproducible" is too generic and would fit for 99% of questions that lack information. Commented Apr 29, 2020 at 7:50
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The conjunctions used on the community close reasons are inconsistent:

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Posting my other post here: Inconsistent conjunctions with new community close reasons

I have other thoughts over there too.

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    They're not "inconsistent"; they mean different things. Commented Apr 20, 2020 at 3:51
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    I agree the first one should be an "or". The third one should probably just be "etc." Commented Apr 20, 2020 at 5:24
  • @SteveBennett And "etc." is short for "et cetera", which is Latin for... "and the rest" or, more colloquially, "and more" :) Commented May 4, 2020 at 14:27
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    Yup, two things that are literally synonymous are not necessarily interchangeable. Like the classic butt-dial vs booty-call etc. Commented May 4, 2020 at 14:35
  • @AndrewCheong it’s a change of what was there. The or is more specific to avoid the ambiguity Commented May 4, 2020 at 15:48
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Clicking "needs improvement" leads to "Why should this question be closed?"?

I'm not sure whether this is intended or not, but I would not ask someone "why do you think it should be closed?" as a response to someone saying "I think this question needs improvement".

A better wording would be

Why does this question need improvement?

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    I made a local change to the dialog so it now says "needs improvement (should be closed) ..." just so I don't get confused :)
    – Scratte
    Commented Apr 19, 2020 at 8:20
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    Apparently, when you have the "Cast close and reopen votes" privilege, clicking "needs improvement" redirects you to the VTC dialog (which makes sense, I guess?) because your flag will be converted to a close-vote anyway. If you don't have that privilege, the title of the dialog says "What kind of improvement does this question need?" instead (tested on SuperUser). Here's a screenshot.
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Apr 20, 2020 at 9:00
  • Yeah - going from "needs improvement" to "Why ... closed?" is an implicit (Freudian?) admission that closing a question is actually an improvement! Commented Apr 24, 2020 at 17:04
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Please put the big blue action button at the lower right of the dialog, not the lower left.

That is the universal convention. Lower left basically hides the button, as no one looks there. It runs counter to convention, expectation, and muscle memory.

(Otherwise I’m greatly enjoying the new wording and look.)

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    I have a feature-request for that. It contains a few workarounds.
    – Scratte
    Commented Apr 26, 2020 at 11:19
  • @Scratte Cool thanks, I’d raised this in a comment but didn’t see it gaining any traction. Upvoted your post.
    – matt
    Commented Apr 26, 2020 at 11:21
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Please do announce (post like this on meta) before making it into production.


Since it went into production before announce I've already asked this question (now closed as duplicate, because here is already a post with solution to the problem I've faced).

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    But your phrasing 'I was referring to those as "unclear" (add more) and "too broad" (add less). Was very clear.' captures the two choices very well.
    – Scratte
    Commented Apr 20, 2020 at 8:40
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How about renaming the "needs improvement" flag?

The current name is simply untrue for a number of questions that need to be closed. No amount of improvement is going to turn "What's your favourite programming joke", or a question that belongs on another site, into an appropriate question.

My suggestion might be "not a good fit". "Not suited for [Community]" could also be a consideration. Based on new the close dialog phrasing, this only matches the phrasing of a subset of the close reasons, but in reality it could apply to the other reasons too. If we make it roughly match the close dialog title (which is arguably the most logical approach), that would mean making it "should be closed" or changing the close dialog title.

The description can largely stay the same, apart from a minor addition for the above.

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  • I agree that “needs improvement” is a bad label, but the problem it intended to solve was to make the label actionable. “off-topic” or “not suited for ⟨community⟩” aren’t really actionable. “off-topic” and “needs improvement” are both misleading. So what is a correct and actionable label? Commented Apr 22, 2020 at 14:30
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    @user4642212 "should be closed" sounds nice.
    – TylerH
    Commented Apr 22, 2020 at 14:31
  • @TylerH I was thinking more along the lines of “actionable for the asker”. Semantically, the different reasons are split into “needs improvement” (e.g. unclear, needs details, asking multiple questions, etc.), which is actionable for anyone (especially the asker), and “should be closed” (e.g. caused by typo, blatantly off-topic, etc.), which isn’t actionable for the asker (which is correct). But I’m not sure two such categories in the close vote dialog would be feasible. Commented Apr 22, 2020 at 14:36
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    @user4642212 Was the change intended to make it actionable? The applicable part of the question says "focusing the language on the 'why'", which this does as well. But, either way, the phrasing can't be correct and actionable (unless you add an "or" to make it partially actionable), because it's not always actionable. The explanation given to the post author, on the other hand, should of course be actionable (if at all possible). Commented Apr 22, 2020 at 14:39
  • @TylerH Then again, there may not be a label that is actionable for everyone for every reason, so “should be closed” is probably still the best way to go. It’s always correct, it’s always actionable for reviewers, and question owners probably get specific guidance anyway. That’s also basically what the last comment of Dukeling says—I just didn’t fully read it yet. Commented Apr 22, 2020 at 14:41
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"This question belongs on another Stack Exchange Site"

Taking this option does not seem provide an obvious means of selecting a site more suited to the question - there are five radio buttons to choose from and a close question button to confirm your choice.

Are there reasons as to why one should be able to vote to close a question as belonging on Super User as opposed to say, Code Review or Mathematica?

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    See this, for example. And many questions here.
    – yivi
    Commented Apr 19, 2020 at 8:22
  • Worth noting this was the logical path for questions not in English, but the correct handling is mark as "Needs more details or clarity" according to meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/297673/… ... confusing.
    – Slate
    Commented May 14, 2020 at 16:13
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Make comment section at "A community-specific reason""Other - add a comment" resizable.

For now this area allows us to see two lines which sometimes is not enough.

cystom close reason

Can we add an option to resize it like in standard comment sections?

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Still disagree with the whole emailing people thing. But I hope it works out for you and you accomplish what you wish to with it. Perhaps the A/B test will prove effective, and I will be wrong.

Otherwise, I have nothing negative to say about this.

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    To note, "This update sends askers an inbox notification and email (if inbox notification was not viewed) when their question is closed, giving them guidance about what to do next.", indicates that the email is only sent out when the inbox notification goes unnoticed. Moreover, there is a setting in your profile that you can disable inbox emails, which should prevent these. If a user doesn't want emails, then it seems like it is rather easy for them to avoid them.
    – Travis J
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 19:07
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    @TravisJ Just FYI - I made an edit to clarify how the inbox/email thing works. We're definitely mindful of not sending unnecessary emails, and we'll be reviewing both the data and the feedback we get otherwise.
    – Adam Lear StaffMod
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 19:30
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    @AdamLear Awesome. To be fair, this isn't really a criticism as much as it is a disagreement. As long as you don't send me unnecessary emails (which you seem to understand and agree with me on that), I'm fine. I certainly wish the effort the best and will be perfectly fine if you find this is effective and go through with it anyway. As long as I'm heard (which I feel I totally am, btw).
    – user10957435
    Commented Apr 17, 2020 at 21:09
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    @AdamLear Is there already an option to disable emails? If so, where is it?
    – S.S. Anne
    Commented Apr 18, 2020 at 0:49
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    @S.S.Anne All email settings are in the user profile under Settings -> Edit email settings. This particular email will be in the "Tips & Reminders" category.
    – Adam Lear StaffMod
    Commented Apr 18, 2020 at 3:36
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There now is a tooltip that explains that an automated comment is posted on the question when someone votes to close a question with a custom off-topic reason.

The other instance when an automated comment is placed on a question is when someone votes to close a question as a duplicate. Can a similar tooltip be placed there?

There are regularly questions about this behaviour, which I can't find right now ofcourse :).

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  • It would be nice if this tooltip on the duplicate closure also mentioned that it will be in the form of a question to the OP, because that has yet to cease annoying me. Commented May 13, 2020 at 18:45
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What should happen when a question has 1 or 2 close votes, then gets edited to conform to the site guidelines?

I found that the number of close votes still remains displayed under the question, which may attract more close votes (the goal distance is only 1), even though the initial ones were for an old version of the question.

Example.

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    I feel like this doesn't belong here, since there is no change in how things work. Yes, close votes remain even after an edit is made. People who voted can retract their votes, if they so wish but they have to see the edit and react to it, it's not automatic. I've found it sometimes make sense to have a "counter vote" to say "this has votes for closure but actually shouldn't be closed" but admittedly, it's quite rare and I'm not sure I'd want a full site feature for that.
    – VLAZ
    Commented Apr 20, 2020 at 8:56
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    The opinion based close reason is used incorrectly like 90% of the time, your example is one of them. Nothing should happen to close votes after edits, because the system works based on voting how you encounter content. That said, even as first asked, there was no need to close this question. Questions of this type are almost always answered by professionals, experts, or language authors, yet for some reason they are called "opinions". It isn't an opinion when Eric Lippert writes a response to how something was made for C#, yet we close those now. It needs to change.
    – Travis J
    Commented Apr 20, 2020 at 15:32
  • @TravisJ: I'm skeptic that those power-trippers who vote to close questions, will ever change their ways, but - do you see any practical way to make this change? Commented Apr 21, 2020 at 8:03
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    @DanDascalescu - Something to keep in mind, these people for the most part are just strict enforcers. They mean well. So, it is the rules you must adjust, not their behavior. As such, we need to simply remove the opinion based close reason. It was put in place as part of a plan to replace a close reason which prevented extended discussion, polling, arguments, and debate. However, "opinion based" goes too far.
    – Travis J
    Commented Apr 21, 2020 at 15:58
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    "Opinionated needs to be fully remodeled. We want material which is based on specific expertise, however, often posts are closed which include any level of opinion. This unfortunate situation has grown to the point where good subjective questions no longer even show up due to the knee jerk reaction of the "jackbooted heel of justice". -meta.stackoverflow.com/a/396018/1026459
    – Travis J
    Commented Apr 21, 2020 at 15:59

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