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I wouldn't ask if there was clear guidance on this (which is what I'm looking for, and currently none of the answers do that). There are many answers on the topic (like this one on Meta.SE) but there still exists the different opinions about it. In an ideal world I'd like an 'official' instruction on it.

I was attempting to find an answer to another user's question when I came across this answer (10k+ only now that it's been deleted):

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I asked on the SOCVR chat whether it is considered NAA as it is the accepted answer, so it obviously helped the OP. The answer I got back was that it is indeed NAA, but:

Doubt you would get a mod to delete it.

I also got this:

Yeah, I've never gotten a helpful flag on an accepted NaA. Every single time it has been declined.

Usually NAA answers link to some library (which also makes the question off-topic most of the time), but this one linked to a tutorial; this means that we can't simply take the code from the link and 'dump' it (with attribution) into the answer in-place of the link.

Which prompts the question: are NAA answers which are accepted eligible for deletion?

A few things I thought could be done with this answer in particular:

  • Replace the link to the Internet Wayback Machine's archived version, to ensure the link is always valid, even if the original link rots away (unlikely seeing as it's dreamincode.net, but always a possibility)
  • Delete the answer outright as NAA
  • Dump the whole tutorial at the link in the answer

What is the proper way to deal with these answers which are NAA and also are the accepted answer?

Here are a few more 'accepted but NAA' answers:

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    All but the last line of that question, including the title, reads like a recommendation question. I'm half and half on whether that last line would save it from closure as such, since the last line seems to actually be a question, and not a recommendation. Either way, if closure as a recommendation question is reasonable in this case... Deal with the question, then both of the poor answers will follow.
    – Kendra
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 19:06
  • @Kendra I literally said exactly the same thing: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/26156420#26156420.
    – AStopher
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 19:07
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    I did flag that answer as not an answer but it was declined by a moderator for declined - flags should only be used to make moderators aware of content that requires their intervention. I am not sure how the mods look at NAA flags but I don;t think that was right. Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 19:52
  • @NathanOliver Mine was declined too: puu.sh/kC2Ae/e9392f1189.png
    – AStopher
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 20:00
  • Link to post is now broken for me, so I assume that the question itself got deleted. My guess is we'll get an answer from someone very soon.
    – ryanyuyu
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 20:11
  • @ryanyuyu Thanks, updated. I ended up custo-flagging the answer, asking why the NAA flag was declined & also linked this question there too.
    – AStopher
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 20:14
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    @bob What? You raised a custom flag asking for a reason? If so, that's not a good idea. Flags are not for asking moderators to explain their actions. As to why your NAA flag was declined, if a moderator got to it after the question was deleted, there's nothing for them to do because the answer was deleted too. If the question was not deleted yet, and a moderator saw what the question was asking, then the moderator may have decided that the community could take care of it through votes to close and votes to delete (which is what happened).
    – Louis
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 20:17
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    Don't use a custom flag to ask mods questions- A lot, if not all, of them come to Meta on a decently regular basis. Your question here will be seen. Mods already get a ton of flags, you're just adding a noisy flag to it by doing that.
    – Kendra
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 20:18
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    @Servy A bit pointless if they're going to get declined, which is partially what this question's about.
    – AStopher
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 20:51
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    @bob Indeed. The question is really just about what to do when you disagree with the action a mod takes in response to a flag, not about how you should treat accepted non-answers versus non-accepted non-answers.
    – Servy
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 20:53
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    @bob If the answer is accepted, then that implies that it can't possibly qualify for NAA, since the guidelines for that reason are "doesn't attempt to answer the question", and the Question asker clearly demonstrated that the answer does in fact answer the question. It's at this point that you have to decide for yourself between theory and practice. Theory says it's NAA, but in practice, it is. I think it's reasonable to determine your answer to this dilemma in a case-by-case basis, even for moderators. tl;dr - do what you think is right.
    – TylerH
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 21:15
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    @TylerH That makes the false assumption that the OP will only ever accept an answer that is actually an answer to the question. Additionally, the site's minimum quality standards exist, and are there for good reason. The fact that one user (the OP) doesn't care about them doesn't mean that everyone else should ignore them.
    – Servy
    Commented Oct 7, 2015 at 21:18
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    @Fazovsky Uh, no. Why would you even think that this question is a duplicate of that? I'm asking for guidelines, I'm not looking for an answer for why this specific answer's NAA flag was declined.
    – AStopher
    Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 16:40
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    Also: the reason I asked this question in the first place is because different moderators seem to have different opinions about NAA answers which are accepted. I wouldn't ask if there was clear guidance on it (which is what I'm looking for, and currently none of the answers do that). There are many answers on the topic (like this one on Meta.SE) but there still exists the different opinions about it. In an ideal world I'd like an 'official' instruction on it.
    – AStopher
    Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 16:47
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    An important special case of this is when the link only answer is a self-accept, can you edit your question to talk about this case? I don't want to edit it myself because it's too drastic.
    – durron597
    Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 16:48

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I declined the flag on that answer and I'll try and explain my reasoning here. My decline was not because I liked the answer or wanted it to live on in any particular way, but because the underlying problem seemed to rest entirely in the question itself.

The question was in my view the root of the problem with both answers it attracted (although only one was flagged and only flagged as NAA which didn't really convey the scope of the problem), so when I viewed the NAA flag in the NAA queue the action I wanted to be taking was to close the question.

By the time I viewed the flag (in a tab popped out of the flag queue) the question had already been closed by the community, which is the preferred way of handling issues generally anyway. So at the point I had to make a call on what to do with it the one action I really wanted to take was on a different post and already handled by the community anyway, hence the decline with "flags should only be used to make moderators aware of content that requires their intervention" - there was nothing I wanted to do over and above the community actions on the question itself.

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    I don't hink this is fair to the flagger. If an answer is NAA by itself, it should be handled as such. Also an accepted NAA answer is misleading to readers, expecially with roomba not triggering for the question. It also could attract more upvotes which is also not a good signal to answerers who at least tried to stay within rules. Question and answer should be judged seperately in that regard. Commented May 28, 2018 at 11:00
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If the "answer" had not been accepted, I agree that it is link only and warrants NAA flagging. But now consider what it means that such a non answer was accepted as the solution to the question. It almost always means that the question itself is off-topic. So instead of trying to convince a mod that an accepted answer is really not an answer, close and/or delete the question instead. If the question is also unhelpful, it could also be deleted, which would take the answer with it. These kinds of non-answers are why certain kinds of questions are considered off-topic; they attract answers like that.

There's also the unlikely possibility that the question is on-topic. At this point, you'll just have to use your best judgement. Options include editing the posts and voting.

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    I fail to see the logical steps that lead you to say that accepting a non-answer, by definition, means that the question is off topic. It's entirely possible for a perfectly appropriate and on topic question to be asked, have a non-answer given, and then accepted because the OP lost their keys or whatever. It could be a red flag to check if the question is off topic, but it's not something that strictly follows.
    – Servy
    Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 13:49
  • It's true that the OP can accept whatever they want, but I'd say a significant percentage of the time accepted non-answers are signs of a poor question.
    – ryanyuyu
    Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 13:53
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    There's a big difference between saying that accepted non answers means that the question is much more likely to be off topic and saying that accepting a non-answer strictly means that the question is off topic.
    – Servy
    Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 13:57
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    Just because the question has an answer "over there" doesn't mean it's off topic.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 15:18
  • @KevinB that's true, but it's still a strong indicator of being either a recommendation question or too broad.
    – ryanyuyu
    Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 15:20
  • @servy, Original version indeed was questionable, with the edit "almost always" describes many of such question/answer pairs well. Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 16:57
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    to me, this answer is a perfect example of the issue discussed here Commented Oct 9, 2015 at 13:06
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    Big -1. The question should be judged on its own merits as the whether it's off topic. Just because the OP accepted a link answered doesn't mean it's off topic. Here is an excellent counter example. That answer was nearly link only to begin with and details were edited in long after the answer was accepted and highly upvoted. When this happens, it is at least equally likely that the link contains useful content, and in that case, the appropriate action would be to edit and paraphrase the link content and leave the link as a citation.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Oct 9, 2015 at 17:59
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    +1 for editing. If a link only answer is accepted, you can still edit it and provide some context, like the name of the site, the author of the solution, and a quick summary. Hmm, yeah, a proper citation. Commented Oct 9, 2015 at 21:15
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I don't believe that calling something that provided a person with the information they need should be NAA. Yes, it's far from ideal (link rot, and all the associated risks with having to click away from SO, etc). However, if there's no truly correct answer and it solves the problem. Well, I think the community is best served by leaving it be. Should the link rot and someone runs across it in the future, flag it then. If it rots and nobody finds out, well, it's not all that important then... :-)

Keep in mind that first and foremost SO is about helping people. Think carefully if what you're doing is mindlessly following rules or doing the right thing.

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    SO is about helping people. Plural. Not just the OP.
    – PM 2Ring
    Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 13:25
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    Saying "SO is about helping people" and not providing further qualification is misleading. SO is about building a compendium of quality questions and answers about programming. Yes, this does help people but the fact that SO is about questions and answers and the fact that it requires quality significantly affect the shape the help takes. There's good help and there's bad help.
    – Louis
    Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 13:38
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    I know that there's a goal of keeping quality high, but I just can't agree with the above arguments that result in useful information being removed. It runs contrary to the primary goals of the site and is a result of being overly rule-bound. Don't contribute to making the site so "stiff" that it's no longer useful. Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 15:18
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    @BrianKnoblauch: A link is not "information", let alone "useful information". Links are not answers, period. Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 16:04
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit That's such a whacked out and ridiculous statement that it's apparent we will not be able to even have a constructive discussion here. Commented Oct 8, 2015 at 16:10
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    @BrianKnoblauch how is that "whacked out"? If a link dies, how will the link provide any sort of useful information? Commented Oct 9, 2015 at 13:02
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    @BrianKnoblauch: Plus1. Helping the community is a result of helping individuals. It is impossible that an act of help extended to an individual results in any harm to the community. The catch, of course, is in having incorrect idea of what help is. Giving away the solution to homeworks is not help. Guiding someone who has a very silly problem is surely help. As far as this link thing is concerned, it's an act of helping the OP. Strangely, people who didn't have the question that OP had, are discussing whether that question's answer is helpful. (No offence meant, dear friends :) ) Commented Oct 9, 2015 at 21:24
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    That's right. If the answer answered the OP's question, then it is a good answer. That doesn't mean that the OP's question was a good one, or one that we encourage on this site. The solution to bad questions is not to get medieval on their answers, but to encourage the askers to ask better questions. Commented Aug 8, 2016 at 22:01

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