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I started a few weeks ago to have my questions systematically downvoted (last one was a moment ago). It is quite weird because their quality was maybe never stellar (though I always make efforts to build a nice one) but in any case - why now?

I did not even realize this until a (now deleted) question on SE Meta where my account was specifically discussed as having "a trail of bad quality questions".

I am not interested in fighting the downvotes - everyone is free to do that if they want and my life is not attached to any kind of rep. The thing I do not want, though, is to have my account blocked because of that (it looks like there is a "blocking for continuous bad questions").

The problem is specifically on SO, other sites are fine (sometimes up, sometimes down).

What is the recourse?

Worst case I will leave this account on the side (use it for the other SE) and start a new one but it is really a pity.

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    In general, no, but having high rep and asking a lot of questions will draw attention, good or bad. should it? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ There's an argument to be made regarding not wasting answerer's time by asking poor questions, and having been around longer you should be asking good questions in general, but at the end of the day the backlash is unwarranted; Your overall contribution has been positive and you're far from a problem. Keep at it IMO, just take the critisizm and learn from it.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 19:30
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    There is no special scrutiny at any rep level. But there is something known as the “meta effect”: when something is brought up on meta, it tends to draw a lot more eyeballs than it otherwise would, and with the eyeballs come the voting fingers (up, down, or otherwise). Re a potential question ban: that’s imposed automatically by a secret-ish algorithm, and is not and cannot be imposed (or lifted) manually by a human. The votes will ultimately determine whether a ban is applied or lifted. But, while I don’t know the secrets of the algorithm, I have to imagine getting a ban at ~20k is hard.
    – Dan Bron
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 19:32
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    If you think you are being targeted then raise a mod flag and they will investigate. I don't think you can just be "blocked for continuous bad questions" after hundreds of good ones
    – Sabito
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 19:34
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    Any post on meta will invoke What is the meta effect?. If you think the votes are personal, you can raise a custom flag (usually on any of your own post) and explain your suspicions.
    – Scratte
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 19:35
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    The short answer is: no, there isn't any particular "graduation" process or anything where you get reviewed more. It would be nice if someone who was about to become a trusted user had a solid idea of what makes a good question. Your last one lacked a MRE, suggesting you didn't go through basic debugging; did you not wonder if it was specific to "skipping" a stage and try copying into the second one, for example, which would have ruled that out.
    – jonrsharpe
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 19:40
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    Given your ~700 questions, don't worry, you are not in any danger of getting question-banned. It mostly affects newish users whose average question score is close to neutral or negative (although the exact algorithm is, as you may know, unknown). Starting a new account to avoid the ban is also against the rules last time I checked, so please don't do that. In any case, it happens, and those votes will subside with time.
    – 0Valt
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 19:43
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    it looks like there is a "blocking for continuous bad questions" No. Once you're above a certain rep level quality-bans are no longer a thing. You're way above the threshold, not only due to rep but also because all your past questions weren't bad enough to receive downvotes.
    – rene
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 19:45
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    @10Rep I think that's a myth. I recall a Questioned-banned user with around that much reputation. I cannot recall the meta post though.
    – Scratte
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 20:06
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    @OlegValter I don't have a post for reference, but I recall learning that from a user. But you do make a point - a user with 1500 rep is effectively exempt from a question ban because of previous contributions. I think someone would have to screw up really bad to get into a question ban at that point. Edit: This comment is where I learnt it from.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 20:55
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    You have 13 pages of questions with positive scores and 1 page of questions with a negative score, and your worst-received question has a score of -4. Hardly what I'd call a "string of bad questions." Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 21:49
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    Lots of misinformation bandied about here regarding question bans, per usual. There's no specific reputation threshold where question bans don't apply. The way to think about this is that question bans are a total quality score. Thus, posting valuable contributions will help you to get out of (or, equally, avoid) a question ban. The posting of valuable contributions is heavily correlated with upvotes and therefore reputation. But there's no specific point at which a question ban becomes not an option. Anecdotally, though, it's very true that users with >1k reputation rarely get banned.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 22:57
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    @CodyGray "There's no specific reputation threshold where question bans don't apply" Should we take your word for this? I'm only double-checking because AFAIK mods don't know the exact criteria and because rene seemed to have a source on this.
    – 41686d6564
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 23:13
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    @41686d6564 That's not a source. That's a single example of someone who someone else thinks is asking low-quality questions but has not yet gotten a question ban. Way too many variables there. You're right that moderators don't know the exact criteria, but we've put together many pieces. The correlation between reputation and question bans is more subtle than some kind of rule.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 23:24
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    I see. I guess I missed the specific comments you were trying to point me to. Well, I don't remember hearing that from Shog, and I can't find a reference to it anywhere. I find quite a few various references to there not being any particular reputation threshold, which matches well with my general understanding of how it works. Shog may well have been simplifying: e.g., someone who has 1500+ rep is exceedingly unlikely to be subject to a question ban because you can't get to 1500+ rep without having a largely positive overall quality score. @41686d6564
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 0:16
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There is no extra scrutiny at any level. You got downvotes due to several factors:

  • Your recent questions aren't very interesting

  • Asking questions is not an easy task; it's not unusual to receive downvotes for a question

  • Your recent questions were asked in Go, which is a very thoroughly moderated tag. There are a number of users who watch new questions

  • A post on meta raised awareness of your question. This is called a Meta-effect

Downvotes are nothing to worry about, especially with your reputation. You won't get banned any time soon. I know this from experience. Many of my questions have more downvotes than upvotes.

Do not create a new account if this one gets banned. This is not permitted and it will only get both accounts suspended.

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    you got more downvotes, because you scold user in php a lot
    – nbk
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 22:18
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    @nbk Not on my questions. But I agree many of these downvotes are out of spite. Some people are very petty.
    – Dharman Mod
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 22:23
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    Worth noting that the "meta-effect" does not contain itself to the question in question, but attracts all sorts of attention from people who will now trawl through the user's profile to try to gauge whether the question in question is an isolated case or whether the user may have a history of whatever it is that's being discussed on meta, etc. Votes follow clicks.
    – J...
    Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 0:17
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    "Do not create a new account if this one gets banned. This is not permitted and it will only get both accounts suspended." How can anyone ever know the same user is behind two accounts? It seems like an unenforcable rule.
    – user16107274
    Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 0:17
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    Posting comments on meta is one way.
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 1:54
  • @nbk everyone who isn't a quiet drive-by downvoter will get revenge votes. I think it's more valuable to let someone know why you downvoted their question in the hope they can learn something from it.
    – miken32
    Commented Jun 11, 2021 at 18:10
  • @miken32 i have a lot of revenge votes on my answers and my questions, as i said here often that is normal life in SO, it stopped somewhat since i don't review any more, but as i comment on "bad questions" i still get them occasionally. I bmost parts the cloase vpotes aöready tell you what went wrong, some questions seems salvageable, so i comment, but besides [mre] and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/333952/… i can't give them any help
    – nbk
    Commented Jun 11, 2021 at 18:29
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No, it's probably a fluke. But this is an overreaction...

Worst case I will leave this account on the side (use it for the other SE) and start a new one but it is really a pity.

You can be upvoted and downvoted. It happens. It's not worth junking your current near-20K+ rep account to start a new one because some people might find your questions or answers not as useful as others, and because the ratio is always 10 rep gained versus 2 rep lost, you'd need a whole lot of users downvoting you legitimately to justify such a move.

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    I was only worried about the block - the ego/rep or whatever part is not an issue at all. Glad to see that I can continue to participate :)
    – WoJ
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 19:50
  • @WoJ Iirc, you'll get a warning message if the downvotes are actually becoming relevant to your block score. If you haven't seen anything, you're far from being blocked.
    – Bergi
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 20:54
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    Also, to be clear, if you started a new account to evade a question block that would be not allowed, and get you in more hot water...
    – Joe
    Commented Jun 8, 2021 at 21:00
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    Lmao, do people really react like this over their SO rep? SO rep is relatively meaningless honestly. Commented Jun 10, 2021 at 12:15
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    @WalterMonecke you'd be surprised :) SE employs a real-world psychological trick preying on us being conditioned the bigger amount something is the better (think money). DVs are intentionally painted red and deduce rep, and UVs green and add. This keeps people going (and yes, you personally don't care about it but it doesn't mean others don't) through the positive and negative feedback loops. It is no surprise people act strongly for being dv'ed (you can't explain to them that the votes are on content as reason can't invalidate feelings [we'd live in a better world should this be the case])
    – 0Valt
    Commented Jun 10, 2021 at 12:21
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    @OlegValter Well, I feel sad for whoever takes their SO rep to the point of feeling hurt when they get downvoted. Commented Jun 10, 2021 at 12:23
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    @WalterMonecke me too - but that's humans for you. I don't know if you used Meta in read mode, but we get a cry for "unfair" voting about once a week, maybe more. It's not that hard to feel hurt when you see a red negative number deducing something from your "virtual capital" - just how this conditioning works, unfortunately.
    – 0Valt
    Commented Jun 10, 2021 at 12:27
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    @OlegValter Or to put it briefly -- Fake internet points provide real endorphins :)
    – Roger Dahl
    Commented Jun 11, 2021 at 18:35
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As others have already said: No, we don't single-out users at a particular rep threshold and double-check their questions.

That having been said, there is something that you could do: SO strives to be a repository of great questions and answers for the reference of future readers. At 20k rep, you now have much more experience in how to write a great question than when you started. There's nothing wrong with

  • going back to your old questions,
  • considering if they can be improved in a way that will benefit future readers (without invalidating existing answers) and
  • editing them.

Significant edits will also bump them to the front page, so they will be re-read by the community and might even earn you some upvotes. (That also means that touching unsalvageable bad old questions might be risky - better leave those alone.)

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Yes. Posts are discriminated by author. High rep invites both more scrutiny from tag experts, and more benefit of doubt from others. The effect also varies across networks (and, for SO, tags), greater for smaller ones.

Though not much special about 20k, just high rep.

Edit: in Stack Exchanges's favor I'll point that it's the least biased platform I know. Aeons ahead of Twitter etc. But it has enough to not skirt under the rug.

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    Posts are discriminated by author. ---> Citation needed.
    – 10 Rep
    Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 0:53
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    This is a vast over-simplification / generalization. It's probably true that if a question seems "bad" / overly simplistic, but the user has a lot of rep, people will read it more carefully to see if there's actually an interesting question that they're missing. As for holding a high-rep user to higher standards of quality since "they should know better"? Well maybe, at least in terms of basic formatting. But that's not a problem for the querent's questions. Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 3:34
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    Experienced users do sometimes ask novice questions about a thing they're just learning, and yeah sometimes those are too obvious, but I don't think we hold them to a higher standard than new users for that. Expecting SO to spoon-feed you a language tutorial as you ask a stream of questions will get you downvotes in any tag, no matter who you are. (Not saying WoJ's questions are like that; I'm thinking of other cases I've seen in tags I follow.) Anyway, if you describe some of those nuances, this could be an ok answer, but as-is doesn't explain the downvotes. Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 3:38
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    This isn't even remotely true. The vast majority of people, myself included, do not even take a cursory glance at the user card before deciding whether to upvote or downvote a post. All that's required is to, you know, read the post.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 4:35
  • @CodyGray for me it is generally painfully easy to see and recognize posts by the same author (for cases where details/research actually posted)... People rarely succeed in radically changing the style they write in and if one asks multiple questions in a relatively narrow area (like C# or Python) you'd know in a second that the post you are looking at is by the author of questionable questions you've seen in the past. At that point you know that you can't vote (as it would be targeted voting) and in my case I just skip post altogether... Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 7:10
  • @AlexeiLevenkov: If you read the question enough to decide that you think the question is bad, after you make an effort to set aside your bias based on that user's previous question, you can still downvote. (Unless it's been more than a couple questions from the same user in the same day, in which automated scripts might roll back your votes.) You're right that you can't (or shouldn't) just look at the first sentence, then the username, and roll your eyes and say "oh, this guy again" and downvote. Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 12:45
  • @10Rep Posts are not discriminated by author. ---> Citation needed as well. Absence of evidence is not evidence for the opposite. We don't know. Posts may be discriminated by author. The prominent display of the author's rep enables the effect at least. Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 12:47
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    @CodyGray "This isn't even remotely true." I think this statement is over-confident. Without hard statistical data I would prefer something more like "we don't know" or "quality of content will probably prevail in the end". For example I remember this case where a highly voted wrong answer kept on getting upvotes for no good reason except it being first in the sorting order and having a high score. Even selection criteria (which post to look at) might play a role. Maybe more investigation (show fake rep for some time and compare) is needed. Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 12:52
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    @AlexeiLevenkov: It's also a bit questionable to downvote a new question because they missed the point of previous answers to their previous question about the same overall task. But if the new question could be valid on its own, you do still have the option of voting for "lack of research effort", if it's not a duplicate. I'd certainly consider carefully reading the answers to their own previous question as an expected part of the research effort! (I'm mostly thinking of a case where someone decides they want to learn assembly language and asks a bunch of similar questions.) Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 12:52
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    @Trilarion: This meta question is about question voting, isn't it? Herd mentality upvoting already-upvoted answers is a very well known phenomenon. (Looks like some effort went into it, and some other people already checked it was good and upvoted, so it must be good and I'll upvote too...) But SO voters are much more skeptical of questions, and don't tend to go along with the herd on question upvotes. (Except on questions that attracted good canonical answers. I used to upvote questions based on them having attracted good answers, but I don't anymore.) Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 12:55
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    @OverLordGoldDragon You've gotten a lot of downvotes on this answer, but I can't help but wonder if you're right. It would be interesting to run an experiment where you show users a question and artificially change the question author's reputation to 1 or an arbitrary large number. I would fall over dead if there weren't at least a small effect. I suspect the direction of the effect would vary by user personality. Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 13:19
  • @IanCampbell They won't admit it. Unfortunately such an experiment is the only way to prove my point - and I've gathered enough data from personal observation to back my answer. Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 13:59
  • @CodyGray Optimism helps. It also insults those afflicted when wrong. People are biased. Studies have shown same experts give different verdicts on same matters when asked on different times of day. Buuut we have egos to look after. Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 14:04
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    @10Rep Full agreement. I would also like to see evidence of this. Just wanted to point out that there is not much evidence to the contrary either. Basically a lot of what is said on meta is personal experience which can vary or is speculation. If I would need evidence for everything that is said I would have to write "citation needed" a couple of times per post. Commented Jun 9, 2021 at 17:28
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    @OverLordGoldDragon - "I've gathered enough data from personal observation to back my answer" - Then you should present the data for people to look at ... and explain your methodology for gathering it.
    – Stephen C
    Commented Jun 10, 2021 at 2:13

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