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I answered a question on StackOverflow yesterday. Another user happened to answer the same question at about the same time - our answers are very similar. Both our answers received a single downvote at the same time and no comments. There are currently no other answers.

About 7 hours ago I left two comments on my answer:

  1. "Why the downvote?"
  2. "How did you get on with this?" - Directed specifically at the OP

The first comment has since been deleted. There has been no comments / response from the OP.

Are "Why the downvote?"-type comments automatically removed? Are they removed automatically in response to a flag? Or do they still need to go through a manual moderation process? (Who/why deleted this comment?)

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  • There are plenty of discussion on meta for/against downvoting answers to clear duplicate questions... The "regex for range of numbers" is not exactly uncommon question (example)... Also regex was more relaxed than some other tags in that sense it may now have people subscribing to "downvote clear duplicates" camp. Commented Feb 13, 2020 at 1:13
  • @AlexeiLevenkov "downvoting answers to clear duplicate questions" - Although in that case the question should be flagged as a duplicate and possibly downvoted? Here, the question was not flagged and was even upvoted!
    – MrWhite
    Commented Feb 13, 2020 at 1:20
  • MrWhite - putting your name out for nice comments by OP (as close votes are public) have very different bar than anonymously downvoting content that one thinks should not be posted... Note that all is pure speculation and votes could be regular revenge downvotes, tactical downvotes, "missed his key" downvotes or even simply for not providing complete answer (neither of 2 answers actually gives complete regex... and OP could downvote due to having 115 rep...) Commented Feb 13, 2020 at 1:45

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There is no automatic removal of "why the downvote?" comments (although there should be—read on).

The only comments that are automatically removed are the "Does this answer your question?" (used to be "possible duplicate of…") comments that are automatically generated on your behalf when voting to close a question as a duplicate. Those get automatically removed when a consensus is reached and the question is closed as a duplicate.

All other comments must be flagged in order to be removed. There are certain trigger words/patterns that will cause a comment to be instantly removed with only a single flag, like expletives. I'm not sure if "downvote" is one of those words/patterns, but I don't think it is. If a flagged comment isn't instantly removed, it will go into the moderator flag queue, where a moderator will review each comment and determine whether or not it should be deleted.

In almost every single case that a "Why the downvote?" comment is flagged, a moderator will agree that it needs to be deleted. These comments are useless, and should never be posted in the first place. Votes are anonymous, by design. There is no system for users to provide an explanation to accompany their downvotes, and there will never be one. You aren't supposed to comment on your votes, whether up or down. Furthermore, "Why the downvote?" comments are especially useless because it's almost certain that your intended audience will never see the comment. By the time you leave the inquiring comment, the downvoter(s) is/are long gone. If you do get a response to your comment, it'll be someone else saying something like, "Hmm, I don't know why your question was downvoted", and then either indicating that they do or don't agree with the downvote. All pointless. They should express their agreement or disagreement through votes of their own.

Please do not post any more comments of the vein, "Why the downvote?", and do not post any more comments discussing votes in general. These comments are inappropriate, and will continue to be removed on sight.

That is, in fact, what happened in your case. You left a "Why the downvote?" comment below that answer, it was flagged by another community member as "no longer needed", and a moderator (who was not me) agreed with that flag and deleted the comment.

Speaking of pointless comments, you also left a "How did you get on with this?" comment below that same answer. I've deleted that comment now, as well, since it serves no purpose. If the asker wanted to provide feedback, they could do so either by leaving a comment, voting on the answer, and/or accepting it as the answer to their question. It is also their prerogative to choose to say/do nothing. Comments like "How did you get on with this?" just add noise.

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    Don't forget the "Don't forget to upvote and accept my answer!" comments :facepalm: Commented Feb 13, 2020 at 1:12
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    Or the, "Can you plz upvote my question?" comments. And don't forget the "Hope this helped!" comments.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 13, 2020 at 1:14
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    @NickA Although when new users comment, "Thanks - works great!" and they fail to accept the answer, I do find a "If this answered your question, then please mark it as accepted yardy yardy..." follow up comment to be very fruitful in most cases (shouldn't be necessary - but for some reason it is). (I always delete the comment later.)
    – MrWhite
    Commented Feb 13, 2020 at 1:51
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    @MrWhite then if there isn't more good than bad content, why do you think ppl should upvote more than they downvote? I personally think there is more bad content than good, so the votes should swing that way as well
    – Patrice
    Commented Feb 13, 2020 at 11:14
  • So how are we supposed to get any type of feedback without having an explanation attached to the down-votes? Except for "you've been a bad boy", what can we possibly learn from a down-vote? Absolutely nothing. Not to mention the fact that many times user down-vote for no good reason other than condescending on new users. Pretty much every post gets down-voted these days and everyone thinks the system is fine and nothing needs fixing.
    – asaf92
    Commented Feb 17, 2020 at 14:06
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    @PanthersFan92 Downvotes never mean "you've been a bad boy". They aren't an attack against you. Their meaning can be determined by reading the tooltip on the downvote arrow. They mean either that a question does not show any research effort, that it is unclear, or that it is not useful. For an answer, they mean either that the answer is unclear, not relevant, or technically incorrect. The system is fine. Downvotes don't have anything to do with condescension. They are a content rating system.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 18, 2020 at 19:45
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    @PanthersFan92 In the case of "condescending comments", please flag these for moderator attention. However, it is not surprising that a question would be downvoted for a lack of research effort; that is one of the normal downvoting reasons shown on the tooltip message. I'm glad that you were able to solve your own problem, but that doesn't make your claims true. Downvotes are not about shutting anyone down. They're about ranking content. That new users are less likely to post content that meets Stack Overflow's quality standards is a correlation, not causation.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 18, 2020 at 19:58
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    Furthermore, it is absolutely false that "more than 90% of the questions have negative scores". The vast majority of questions have positive scores.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 18, 2020 at 19:58
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    Stack Overflow has high quality standards. Posts that don't meet the community's quality standards get downvoted. That has nothing to do with being welcoming, @Pan. Votes are nothing more than how other users express their opinions regarding the clarity and usefulness of a post. I've posted many things that have been downvoted. The correlation you're perceiving between new users/low rep and downvotes just doesn't exist. I posted this question with my "gazillion rep", and it still got downvoted because folks thought it was unclear. That's fine.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 18, 2020 at 20:18
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    @Pan Aside from the correlation created by new users being unfamiliar with our quality standards (which are admittedly very high), I do not believe that there is any correlation between downvotes and rep levels/new users. I definitely don’t think “users are getting downvoted for no good reason”. Leaving aside vote fraud, which mods do handle, there’s always a good reason, usually related to the lack of clarity in the post or the lack of research effort. It might not be obvious to you, but it is well within the rights of the downvoters to express their opinion on the quality of the content.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 18, 2020 at 20:35
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    The critical difference here is that I chose to interpret the downvotes on my question as being evidence that experts thought it was unclear and/or did not show sufficient research effort. I didn’t get mad about it, I didn’t start dismissing their judgments as without reason, I didn’t take it personally. I just took it as what it is: a signal. You, on the other hand, seem to start getting defensive about it, which doesn’t serve any purpose. I don’t have time to review all your posts. I don’t need to. The votes are a signal to you and future readers.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Feb 18, 2020 at 20:37
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    No, they're always useless, @Sergey. Wording and motivation don't matter at all. Commenting on votes is prohibited: you should not do it. Invitations to discussion are also prohibited, as this is not a site that allows discussions. We may be enriched by exchange of opinions, but this site is not the place for that. So, no, I do not agree. Requests for opinions are already explicitly not allowed on this site, so what you're arguing for is a complete non sequitur.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 28, 2023 at 7:27
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    @mark It is also not nice calling people names or yelling at them when you don't get what you want. Think about it. You received only one downvote on a question. It does not imply malice or poor intentions, it was just one person's opinion. Regardless of the reason, you could have just shrugged it off as an off-by-one mistake. I did not downvote on it, but with that kind of attitude, one will be inclined to say that whoever did downvote was right to walk away without leaving a comment.
    – E_net4
    Commented Sep 14, 2023 at 13:51
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    @mark if one has valuable feedback to provide, they should provide it. If the post is low quality/unclear, they should downvote it. The two actions need not be related.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Sep 14, 2023 at 15:36
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    As a comment on this 3.5 years old answer: I have seen many times "why the downvote" comments answered by later users, saying "it wasn't me but it's possibly because of [this specific actionable issue]", similar to people asking about downvotes on meta. This is very useful, it doesn't matter that votes are anonymous or that the original downvoter is long gone. The OP wants to know what they did wrong, somebody gave them a detailed pointer instead of the generic downvote reason from the tooltip, and the site is better off for it.
    – Marijn
    Commented Sep 15, 2023 at 11:05

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