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I've recently asked the question about the situation when some guys copy solutions and code from other developer's answers. And the answer was to downvote and to call a moderator. I've tried to do both but it didn't work for me.

I see a lot of new developers who copy solutions and code, but usually, it helps when I just ask them nicely to not do that.

But now there are two guys in Laravel part of SO who copy from other answers and who aren't gonna stop:

  • The first one is a guy who even copied whole sentences. He changed nickname right after the last conversation about copying, I guess he wants to hide it or something. And he's definitely not going to stop: one, two, three, four. I've called a moderator a couple of times.

  • The second guy copied in the past. But today he copied my answer and I've decided to ask him not to do it. He said he didn't copy anything and that I need to relax. I've downvoted and called a moderator (as you guys did advice). The guy downvoted my answer too. But when the moderator came, he just deleted all the comments here.

    As result, some guys even upvoted his answer when they clearly see he copied it. And my original answer has 2 downvotes.

Honestly, I'm demotivated and upset because of all this stuff. That's just wrong. I mean it feels pretty bad when you're playing with code for 5-10 minutes and find a solution and then some guy just ctrv-c ctrl-v it. And I'd really want to see these guys are gone.

I wonder, why these accounts are not banned? I mean this is against the rules and people can clearly see who copy the answers all the time.

If these guys will not be banned, how this situation will be handled?

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    hmm... in the second case, why does his post appear before yours in the timeline? It appears as though his was nearly 4 minutes earlier than yours.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Feb 12, 2018 at 19:30
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    @KevinB It doesn't. OP's is 12:24, the accused is 12:27.
    – Mysticial
    Commented Feb 12, 2018 at 19:32
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    @KevinB he edited twice, please look into the history of edits. The solution for the answer is using merge(). The guy gave two wrong solutions (pluck and the edited and added toArray()). But when I've posted my answer with merge() the guy copied it (the 3rd edit) in like 4 minutes after I've posted the answer. Commented Feb 12, 2018 at 19:32
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    I see 18:15 for his, and 18:19 for yours, looking at the individual timelines for each of the answers.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Feb 12, 2018 at 19:32
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    For cases where the answer is a single line of code and the different answers are posted in minutes of each other you're going to have a pretty hard time proving plagiarism, rather than that they independantly came to the same solution. For more significant contributions, that becomes sufficiently implausible.
    – Servy
    Commented Feb 12, 2018 at 19:39
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    All i see is coincidence for the first guy. And a lot of bullying. Looking through his answer history, he certainly answers questions without copying other answers, so i find it hard to believe that all of those instances were copy/paste answers. They're easy enough questions that he could have come to the same conclusions.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Feb 12, 2018 at 19:46
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    @AlexeyMezenin It's not really about whether there's code or not, it's a question of how reasonable it is for another person to have independantly come up with the solution they posted. How likely that is is dependant on how different it is from other posts, how much content is there, how much room there is for different solutions to the question (a question with only a single right answer is very likely to get different people suggesting that same single answer, after all), a history of plagiarism, and so on. At some point there's enough circumstantial evidence for it to be acted on.
    – Servy
    Commented Feb 12, 2018 at 20:38
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    @Servy well, in this case, it's super clear that the guy didn't know the answer to that question because his first 2 solutions were about working with existing data and not changing the way how the data is created. If you'd know Laravel, you'd see this right away. Commented Feb 12, 2018 at 20:43
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    I can see downvotes and sympathy for the second guy. That's fine, I'll just keep saving the pieces of evidence as I did for the first guy. But what about the first guy? Will he be punished? Or nothing will happen? Commented Feb 12, 2018 at 20:44
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    @AlexeyMezenin It's very common for people to post an incorrect answer and then fix it after someone (in this case, the OP) explains why it's wrong. That's not a definitive sign of plagiarism.
    – Servy
    Commented Feb 12, 2018 at 20:47
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    @KevinB if you'll look at both guys upvotes/number of answers ratio, you'll see they don't know Laravel. I know Laravel and I say the guy couldn't find the solution without my answer because he tried whole different thing. Oh, and I know Laravel because I'm Top-1 Laravel guy here. Top-1 in Russian Laravel community (Laravel.ru 4K+ users). I'm Certified Laravel Developer. I'm the author of the only Laravel Best Practices source (there is an old one which is about PHP, but called Laravel BP). Commented Feb 12, 2018 at 21:01
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    My point was, your knowledge of laravel does not give you the ability to identify the knowledge of other users whom you have no contact with other than questions/answers here. You don't know these users. you don't know what they do, what they know, how long they've been coding in what languages. You're making assumptions because they presented the same correct answer. Maybe they did copy, but if there is no track record of them doing so in the past and it's not word for word, you've got nothing. You can't prove it, nor can a moderator. All we're left with is you being rude in comments.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Feb 12, 2018 at 21:17
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    Don't give up! I regularly see new accounts copy-paste things as answers. The source isn't always other answers, they copy their "answers" from all over the net. Keep collecting evidence and flag as appropriate. Just yesterday I had another such flag deemed "helpful" and the copy-pasted answers got deleted. Commented Feb 13, 2018 at 8:56
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    @S.L.Barth what makes this thing interesting is one of the guys reported by OP has solid rep of few thousands iirc. It's difficult to tell for sure but if it is indeed happening that "stalker" figured a way to abuse grace period: just follow come prolific answerer (eg in feed), and post copied content while their answer is still within grace period so that it's impossible for others to tell in which direction copying was done
    – gnat
    Commented Feb 13, 2018 at 9:14
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    @gnat Ah yes, you pointed that out in the other thread, I believe. The devs should be able to see what happened during grace period, if it's logged. But I don't know if the mods can see that much. I like the idea you suggested in the other thread, to quickly comment to break the grace period. Commented Feb 13, 2018 at 9:17

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I've reviewed all the cases mentioned here, and all of the flags that have resulted. Due to the absence of a few moderators, and an ongoing purge of voting rings, the queue of custom flags has built up a little bit. We're gradually working that down.

In the first case, it does look like some content was copied, due to identical or near-identical sentences being present in one or two answers. Those answers have been deleted. I'm not as sure about the others left by that user, because the presence of similar short amounts of code in answers left within minutes of one another isn't enough for me to decide anything conclusively here. In fact, I saw at least one case where they left an answer before you did, and you later posted similar code. From the comments they've received and the dogpile voting on their answers, I think they've been sufficiently chastised.

In the second case, I saw no evidence of plagiarism. In fact, they explained exactly how they arrived at their answer independently of you. The hostility you directed at them and the fight that resulted led to a number of these comments being flagged, which is why I wiped them first. In the future, I highly recommend flagging moderators with evidence of plagiarism and letting us review that first. If you're right, we'll take action, and if you've falsely accused someone that can be quietly dismissed.

We take plagiarism seriously and act on multiple plagiarists a day. However, when all that we have to go on is similar-looking code, it can be much more difficult to separate copied code from independent solutions. This is particularly true when people are leaving answers within minutes of one another, as was the case here. Copied wording is another matter, and almost always indicates plagiarism. While there may only be one way in code to solve a problem, there's always different ways of phrasing an explanation.

Again, if you feel that someone is plagiarizing answers, use a custom moderator flag and point out what was copied. Focus on copied wording, larger blocks of code (bonus points if comments and nonfunctional whitespace are copied), and answers left long after another was placed on the question. Don't try to take the law into your own hands and make public accusations against someone, because that can lead to innocent people being targeted or to nasty comment and downvote fights.

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  • Thanks. At least you've investigated this, that's really good. I'll also take away a couple of pieces of advice from this answer and comments above. I have a few questions though. 1. What should I do when someone's copying a solution and not the code? An example is merge discussed in comments. I've spent a few minutes by merging different Laravel collections in Laravel Tinker to find the solution. Should I just zip it when someone's copying stuff like that? I mean there is no a block of code here that can prove something. And the most of the guys above agreed that this was not stealing. Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 16:17
  • 2. What should I do if someone's posting a similar answer in 2-5 minutes after mine? Should I flag it somehow or just skip? I mean during the grace period many answers are copied and edited (copied then enhanced or changed the code). 3. You've said, "I saw at least one case where they left an answer before you did, and you later posted similar code". If my answer was posted later than 2 minutes after someone's similar answer, please let me see it. 4. I can see a lot of downvotes recently and it looks like it's related. What can I do about this except asking "Please explain the downvote"? Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 16:17
  • 5. Can a screenshot be a proof someone stole your answer? I mean when two guys posted different answers, I make a screenshot because I know this guy steals often and then the guy copies code from my answer. But because of grace period, noone can see that. Will this kind of screenshot be a proof? Commented Feb 15, 2018 at 16:17
  • For example, the same guy just posted this. Should I flag it? I mean the solution is exactly the same and he just changed auth() to Auth:: which are both shortcuts to the exactly the same functionality. Commented Feb 16, 2018 at 7:51

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