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Consider a scenario with two users, User A and User B. For whatever reason, A does not see eye to eye with B, and has taken it upon themselves to show their displeasure by downvoting B's answers en-masse.

Now, B waits 24 hours, and failing a reversal, raises a custom moderator flag.

A moderator steps in, and voting is corrected. Happy ending? Not yet.

A, frustrated, continues to downvote, but this time, slips up, and ends up downvoting one too many times within a certain time span. Now, this targeted downvoting is picked up by the system and automatically reversed.

Now, since A was behind this the second time, and since the user was previously dealt with by a moderator, does the system bring this second wave of targeted downvoting to moderator attention?

It would make sense to do so, because it is apparent that the user did not learn that what they are doing is completely against site rules, in addition to being unfair to B, because you are voting on the user, not on their answer's merits.

Context

Yes, yes, I know. "It's one downvote, get over it". But it isn't just one downvote. Say, B posts a good answer to a new question (let's assume for the sake of discussion that the question is good, and on topic), and A then proceeds to downvote it. Any seasoned answerer will understand that few first few moments after posting your answer are critical, because it pops up at the top of the question (as "1 new answer to this question"), and everyone who sees it pop up will click (and likely vote). In that time, if a user sees the answer being downvoted (by A), they are more likely to dismiss it. Things worsen when A decides to upvote the competition, letting B's good (possibly better) answer slip to the bottom of the pile, where it has less chances of being seen or recovering.

I know what you're thinking now, "It's one answer, get over it". But it isn't just one answer. Rinse and repeat the process for 5 answers and you're no longer enjoying the Stack Overflow experience. Yes, the moderators will roll the votes back, but by then, the damage has already been done.

So, I'd like to know whether moderators are automatically notified of foul play even when the system intervenes.

If not, I strongly suggest that they should be.

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    Since you had a lot of backstory, just wanted to make sure I get the gist... you are interested in understanding how multiple occurrences of serial voting are handled when 1 or more of the occurrences are handled automatically? Commented Jan 15, 2018 at 20:53
  • @psubsee2003, that is my question, yes.
    – cs95
    Commented Jan 15, 2018 at 20:54
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    I believe (a mod can possibly confirm) that moderators aren't involved at all, but the voting reversal script is fully automated. Posts explaining it have been a bit vague on purpose, to avoid people being able to cheat it.
    – Erik A
    Commented Jan 15, 2018 at 20:56
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    As far as this goes: "Rinse and repeat the process for 5 answers and you're no longer enjoying the Stack Overflow experience". Speaking as someone who gets revenge-downvoted semi-routinely, with the down-votes very infrequently rolled back, it's better to just "get over it" (as you say). It used to anger me, and I will admit even now I still get bothered by it occasionally. But, my enjoyment of the site comes from the moments when another person is helped. I have found that when my enjoyment is undermined by things that I should be ignoring, it's better for me to take a break from the site Commented Jan 16, 2018 at 0:20
  • @PeterDuniho Sorry, brainfarted on that. Please check now, it should be consistent.
    – cs95
    Commented Jan 16, 2018 at 0:20
  • thanks...that seems better :) Commented Jan 16, 2018 at 0:23
  • several years ago reversal script worked in such a way that "the guy who serially voted you once, will have harder time trying it next time, even if they vote less..." Hope it still works that way
    – gnat
    Commented Jan 16, 2018 at 11:17
  • I think it would be better if the question were edited so the scenario doesn't involve moderators reversing the votes. Moderators do not have the ability to reverse votes, or even to see individual votes.
    – David Z
    Commented Jan 16, 2018 at 22:47
  • @DavidZ Yup, you're right. They'd ask a CM to do it.
    – cs95
    Commented Jan 16, 2018 at 22:49
  • Semi-related - is there any detection of serlal upvoting, like someone using puppet accounts to get a main account to higher rep levels ?
    – Criggie
    Commented Jan 18, 2018 at 3:20
  • A moderator can also put an account on a suspension for a cooling period. I've seen it happen twice in the last month or so. That should probably stop any very determined serial downvoter. Commented Jan 18, 2018 at 5:12
  • @gnat unfortunately, I can't see that happening. I have had two reversals (+16 and +12), and I am still continually being downvoted on a daily basis. These are not rolled back until I have to raise a custom flag and beg the moderators to look at it
    – cs95
    Commented Jan 24, 2018 at 12:48
  • hmm it looks like something broke in the system later, after I made above observation. I have suspected something like that because I regularly raise custom flags on cases of voting fraud of the kind that seemed to automatically revert in the past. That's sad
    – gnat
    Commented Jan 24, 2018 at 13:08

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No, moderators are not notified of automated reversals, but we can see that they have happened and where the votes came from before they were reversed.

If this is happening to you, more than once, flag for moderator attention and we can see if this is someone that needs a sterner talking to.

It should be noted that the vast majority of such downvote revenge sprees are done in a unguarded moment, and are not repeated, and don't need moderator intervention. As such I really don’t see a need to auto-flag these cases; any real abuse would be lost in the noise.

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  • I see, thank you. Do you believe it would be appropriate to have moderators notified about automated reversals in this case?
    – cs95
    Commented Jan 15, 2018 at 21:01
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    @cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ: no, it'd be useless and way too noisy for us to see the cases that need actual attention.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jan 15, 2018 at 21:01
  • This post meta.stackexchange.com/questions/212332/… is also highly relevant
    – jontro
    Commented Jan 16, 2018 at 22:22
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    Can you give any idea of the scale of the problem that the automated script addresses? Is it 1, 5, 10, 50, 100, 500, 1000 or more instances of down-voting sprees per 24 hours? (How noisy is the "way too noisy" volume? How has that volume trended over the last few years?) Commented Jan 16, 2018 at 23:35
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    @JonathanLeffler: I can't, because I have no means to get exact numbers; that level of database access would require an employee. I based my assertion on the number of times I see reversal events when investigating accounts. For the most part there is no real problem as the system self-corrects and people move on. Given the number of flags we already get and given that we really don't see repeat offenders all that often or see repeat offenders get away with it for long, I really don't see a need to clutter up our already-very-busy flag queue with those events.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jan 17, 2018 at 12:56
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    "... where the votes came from before they were reversed" I thought votes were anonymous? Or are "potential serial votes" recorded additionally?
    – Filnor
    Commented Jan 17, 2018 at 13:08
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    @chade_: Moderators can see vote patterns, not individual votes. Reversals are logged as a summary.
    – Martijn Pieters Mod
    Commented Jan 17, 2018 at 13:41
  • @MartijnPieters Ahh, this make way more sense know. Thanks for clarifying.
    – Filnor
    Commented Jan 17, 2018 at 13:43

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