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I've participated once in a discussion regarding removing greetings, salutations and thanks from SO posts here. Another discussion took place on Meta here.

Both accepted answers and their votes seem to suggest that the community agrees that we should remove such clutter from posts.

Unfortunately, still from time to time the same discussion arises in different comment threads or someone "pings me" by continuing the discussion under my answer post.

Basically, the stance of people still discussing the issue boils down to:

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One recent example is here - there were many more, sorry for not collecting them over the years. The point is that, even an accepted Meta post with many upvotes does not seem to be credible enough - especially in the case when I'm linking to a post I wrote myself (this is understandable).

But even when I point to the other Meta link the answer is the same, sometimes with examples of other people's posts/comments disagreeing with this policy (e.g. here (deleted)).

Could we please settle this matter once and for all, for example by stating in a clear way in the help center that thanks, greetings and other mailing conventions and courtesies are discouraged (or even not welcome)?

I will also happily accept, if the SO's official choice will be to allow such formulas by deleting my accepted answer from the first discussion and encouraging someone to post a link to the official rule book.

What I think is important, is a clear decision with a credible source, one way or another.

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    I assume with credible source you mean not yet another answer from a community member but more like Joel Spolsky taking a stand on this issue?
    – rene
    Commented Jul 2, 2017 at 20:59
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    If SO is community driven moderation, why is an "official" statement needed? The community has spoken via the votes on both posts your linked. Commented Jul 2, 2017 at 21:05
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    I don't think I will ever understand why some people here are so obsessed over things like a simple "thank you"... Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 12:50
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    And there we go again... :D
    – BartoszKP
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 12:51
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    How is 5 to 10 letters clutter? Is civility and politeness not worth the space? This is why tech people get a bad wrap. The ones that see no value in areas that would be considered "soft skills" IRL. I work with people like that in my office and it's maddening. Such things should not me such a button. It's really not a big deal.
    – LazyBear
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 16:35
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    @LazyBear One could argue that tech people also get a bad reputation because some people see a community consensus, disagree with it, and then complain and deride that decision, instead of recognizing other people's perspectives. Did you happen to participate in any of the previous discussions?
    – Beofett
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 16:50
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    @Beofett I did a while back, and I'm always amazed that simple (so long as they are brief) niceties irk people so much on these boards. I agree that overly long greetings or thanks are unnecessary, but to complain or be annoyed by a simple "Hello community!" or "Thanks, that did it" seems a bit silly. It's hardly spam. Everyone here is clearly willing to help people and that is a fine thing. I owe my Master's degree to all the guidance I received here. So I say, without hesitation or shame, Thank You All. I couldn't care less if that offends your sense of brevity.
    – LazyBear
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 17:13
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    @LazyBear My "sense of brevity" is not "offended". I am not bothered by these little additions, but neither are my sensibilities offended that the community feels they are noise that should be removed. As for it not being a consensus despite the overwhelming majority being in favor, simply because "these discussions are still a thing"... apparently we define consensus differently.
    – Beofett
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 17:34
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    @LazyBear Yet your soft skills training doesn't stop you from boasting about how you took what you wanted without following the rules, insulting the people who do follow them, and dismissing with "I couldn't care less why it bothers you"? Maybe .. you need the training? Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 19:38
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    @Ryan I'm not complaining about greetings/salutations but about lack of respect for consensus. As you may see in my question I declared that either policy satisfies me, as long as it's clear and officially stated. I'm not sure why it's this way, but almost every person opposing the removal of taglines uses some kind of a ridiculous strawman argument ("complaining about greetings", "why do you hate politeness you introvert snobs", etc.).
    – BartoszKP
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 21:00
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    The thing is that civilities do not come with these words @LazyBear, civility lies in the actions. If I were to say that your blanket statement is utter horseshit, thank you, would these last two words be civil? If someone doesn't have the tiniest bit of respect for the community and won't do the simplest google search, but adds thank you at the end of a post, do you really call these people civil? I certainly wouldn't, and would hope people would stop being so superficial and look at the actual range of the actions, not wether or not they clutter their posts with thank you's. Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 23:53
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    The problem seems to be that people have the wrong idea about what Stack Overflow is. Greetings and salutations would be completely out-of-place on Wikipedia, yet no one thinks that's weird or finds that it cramps their style. The same logic applies to questions and answers here. We are doing essentially the same thing, we just present the information in a different format (discrete Q&A chunks, focused on specific issues).
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jul 4, 2017 at 4:53
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    "[..]invest some time into something a little more productive than reviewing several thousands of other users' posts, for which you don't get paid." - @Ryan - (1) Nothing you do on SO gets paid for; (2) It is you who thinks that reviews are non-productive; the fact is that this community is a better place because of people who contribute, and review is one important way to contribute. This place would have been a mess if it weren't for reviewers who contribute with their time, effort, and energy to make this a place worthwhile, those who you demean.
    – Abhitalks
    Commented Jul 4, 2017 at 5:16
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    Tbh I wish robo-reviewers had the same mindset as @Ryan. Not saying he's one, since he's probably not going to be interested in reviewing anyway, but I wish there were no other rewards for reviewing than the inherent improvement it brings so those ilk will have no business poking their noses into stuff they shouldn't be doing.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Jul 4, 2017 at 5:18
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    I find it amusing that the people who are in favor of allowing fluff content because "its polite" seem unable to explain their position without being condescending or using words like "ridiculous" or "obsessed". I guess courtesy is only valuable when other people are doing it.
    – Beofett
    Commented Jul 4, 2017 at 12:59

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This already exists in the Help Center: What kind of behavior is expected of users?

Do not use signature, taglines, or greetings.

Every post you make is already “signed” with your standard user card, which links directly back to your user page. If you use an additional signature or tagline, it will be removed to reduce noise in the questions and answers.

Your user page belongs to you — fill it with information about your interests, links to stuff you’ve worked on, or whatever else you like!

There's also the FAQ: How do I make a good edit?, which some might find less "official" but is even more explicit:

Remove 'Hi' and 'Thank you' - but only while you're at it.

'Hi', 'Thank you', 'Hope this helps', 'Thanks in advance' — these things are considered noise on Stack Overflow.

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    Can't get any more "official" than this.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Jul 2, 2017 at 21:17
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    @ChrisF Right, "tagline" seems to cover this. I'll use this link, thanks :)
    – BartoszKP
    Commented Jul 2, 2017 at 21:18
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    I would say that it would be helpful if this was in How to Ask in addition to/instead of the behavior section... Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 16:47
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    @MikeMcCaughan I agree. It's location isn't exactly intuitive.
    – BSMP
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 17:09
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    This doesn't mention thanks. Or pleading.
    – philipxy
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 21:33
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    Now if we could only stop people from starting their questions with "So..."
    – j08691
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 22:03
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    @philipxy - Is a "Thanks" at the end really that different from a "Hello" at the beginning? Or a tagline? Given the comments on the question itself, it wouldn't matter if the Help were more explicit on this point. People are bound and determined to include noise in posts.
    – BSMP
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 22:24
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    Yes, it is different. Both thanks and pleading could reasonably, and indeed more reasonably, be taken as not being signatures, taglines or greetings. A clear communication must be unambiguous, not just have an interpretation consistent with what one meant. "Greeting" doesn't necessarily include "farewell" and "pleading". Your quote & its page don't address the underlying/motivating fundamental/general goal of "no social interaction in questions/answers". People wanting to act correctly need clarity. People thanking & pleading aren't ignoring anything clearly said there.
    – philipxy
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 22:58
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    I agree with @philipxy. Words have meaning. Thanks and pleadings may be similar to taglines and signatures, but they are not those things. Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 23:50
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    @philipxy: Don't know about thank-yous, but pleading just makes people not want to take you seriously anyway. Editing out pleading is doing the asker a favor by allowing readers to focus on their question instead of getting turned off by how desperate they are for help.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Jul 4, 2017 at 5:10
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    @j08691: I still have yet to find that user who started literally every one of their posts and comments with "So..."
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Jul 4, 2017 at 5:12
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    @MikeMcCaughan if it was put in the how to ask page then it would also need to go in the how to answer page as well Commented Jul 4, 2017 at 6:54
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    @BoltClock I don't understand how that comment is a response to mine. My comments point out that the answer did not present any stackoverflow corporate policy against question thanks or pleading, which are surely included in (corporate's and) the question's ("etc", "clutter", "other") "discouraged"/"unwelcome" content. (Maybe you were thinking something like I was asking whether those things were unwanted.)
    – philipxy
    Commented Jul 4, 2017 at 8:18
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    @Boltclock - the way to cure someone of starting all of their questions with "So ..." is to edit them to "Once upon a time ..." . (Kidding :-)
    – Stephen C
    Commented Jul 4, 2017 at 10:29
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    @quetzalcoatl You don't need to consider them like that "personally" - they are forms of closing statements ;0
    – BartoszKP
    Commented Jul 4, 2017 at 22:34

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