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A few months, back, Stijn raised the issue of old, closed resource-requests:

When searching for a library/tool/... with my favourite search engine, there are often results from Stack Overflow. Since these questions are (in theory) closed and/or outdated, they pollute my search results and cause annoyance.

In spite of his odd spelling of "favorite", I had to concede his point; these often are a nuisance. But... Some of them are also useful. So I asked the question,

What, if anything, is worth saving here? And how do we go about saving it?

...I guess that probably seemed rhetorical, since I didn't really get much of an answer to it. So I started digging through some of the most popular, closed, resource-request questions on Stack Overflow. I found stuff that wasn't really looking for a resource so much as a technique, stuff that was looking for a resource but got a technique, basic HOWTOs, weird-ass Android stuff, and, of course, straight-up give me a tool to do something of which there are innumerable tools available with no criteria to filter the list whatsoever. (That last link is now deleted, of course - you can probably guess why.)

About three years ago, we launched a site for Software Recommendations. If you look at their Ask a Question page today, off to the right you'll find five succinct rules for asking a question there... Four of which are pretty decent rules for asking a good question anywhere:

Tell us...

  1. ...the task you want to accomplish
  2. ...your requirements for that task
  3. ...what you already know about software available for this purpose

Then, write a specific and to-the-point title

With those rules in mind, I edited three of the five questions mentioned above, and reopened them. (One I deleted and the remaining question I locked)

Only problem is... There are a lot more than five of these questions still visible on the site.

I need a posse

So here's what I'd like to try: at the end of this post is a list of 200 questions currently closed on Stack Overflow, a bit less than 1% of the total list. Let's see if we can use the Software Recs guidelines to turn some of these into questions that can be kept around, as sort of a trial run before we try & tackle the much larger backlog.

If you want to help,

  1. Pick a question off the list
  2. Ensure it has answer that are more than just links to things
  3. Edit it to comply with the four rules mentioned above.
  4. Remove any language that explicitly asks for an off-site recommendation (software, hardware, tutorial, etc.)
  5. Vote to reopen
  6. Edit this post to move the link into the "to be reopened" list below.

If you have less than 3K reputation, you can't complete all of these steps. Should this prove successful, a way to open this up to others will be looked into.

If you pick a question and find it impossible to finish the steps above, then edit this post to move the link into the "to be deleted" list, with a short explanation of why you saw it as unsalvageable.

There's also a chat room to discuss on individual post, feel free to join if you want to participate but still have doubts.

When the first list is empty, we'll go through the other two lists & see if it's worth continuing with this project.

Oh, and feel free to write about your experience in the answers below.


##Questions to be reviewed (see instructions above)

Questions to be reopened

Questions reopened (45/200)

Questions to be deleted

Questions deleted (155/200)

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    Are we touching the answers? Commented Jan 21, 2017 at 1:54
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    @approxiblue edit any post you feel could be improved as you would normally.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jan 21, 2017 at 1:54
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    The discussion on individual posts is going to get out of hand in the comments quickly, so I've created a chat room for discussion of individual posts.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jan 21, 2017 at 2:53
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    I think "How to write an RSS feed in Java" should remain closed or be locked if the answer is really that valuable. The question is too broad, and before the edit it was just a resource request. Neither revision is a good example of an on-topic question. Haven't looked at any of the other Qs
    – TylerH
    Commented Jan 21, 2017 at 5:47
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    "In spite of his odd spelling of "favorite"" *my *favourite
    – Nic
    Commented Jan 22, 2017 at 22:32
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    For what (little) it's worth, I've added an answer to Minimal implementation of sprintf or printf that includes an implementation that (I believe) meets the stated requirements. Now it just needs to be voted up enough that somebody might notice it before they give up and leave. Commented Jan 23, 2017 at 6:40
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    @Shog9 Just an FYI: "Favourite" is the preferred spelling in non-U.S. English-speaking countries. grammarist.com/spelling/favorite-favourite
    – Keith M
    Commented Jan 23, 2017 at 23:11
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    I know, @Keith. And I forgive you all. Well, most of you.
    – Shog9
    Commented Jan 23, 2017 at 23:12
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    There seems to be a typo. The last section should have read "Martijn Pieters wish list".
    – Travis J
    Commented Jan 24, 2017 at 23:21
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    Any plans to have another go?
    – Braiam
    Commented May 1, 2017 at 12:51

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Here's my experience so far:

Most of these questions need to be deleted, but there are way more salvageable questions here than I expected. Right now, most of these are being deleted because of attracting only link-only answers, but if there is even one really good egg, we've been trying to save the question.

However, there will probably need to be a Stage 2 posse (likely of moderators) who go back through the reopened questions to delete all the link-only answers, because there are a lot of them. If we find a good answer, we've been trying to upvote it to the top.

It's actually pretty fun to go through this list of questions, especially with help from chat.

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    "If we find a good egg among link-only answers..." ...the right thing to do is to edit the linked content summary into it so that it's not a link-only anymore. This has proven to work really well, see Cleanup 500 old terse answers that either have hidden value or indicate awful questions
    – gnat
    Commented Jan 21, 2017 at 7:17
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    @gnat The "good egg" answers usually already have a content summary, or they have code that shows how to use whatever software they are recommending. Sometimes there's even an answer that recommends not using an off-site resource, which we saw as really good also (like this one). Commented Jan 21, 2017 at 14:59
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    answers with content simply don't qualify as link-only ones, we have a fairly efficient criteria on that laid out in Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer?: "strip the markup, and you still get at least a little bit of useful information..."
    – gnat
    Commented Jan 21, 2017 at 15:05
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    @gnat 4 castle is using the phrase "good egg" to describe answers that are not just a link.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jan 21, 2017 at 15:52
  • ah, I got it @TinyGiant - thanks for explaining
    – gnat
    Commented Jan 21, 2017 at 16:03
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Oh, and feel free to write about your experience in the answers below.

As @4castle said, most of the questions were as unsalvageable as I had predicted they would be. More surprising was the fact that there were far more salvageable questions than I had predicted there would be.

Saving questions felt rewarding. We successfully resurrected these wayward questions and allowed them to live and serve another day. We didn't worry about invalidating answers that consisted primarily of links or opinions, such answers don't hold much—if any—lasting value.

All in all, it was a pretty enjoyable process. For most questions that were unsalvageable, it was immediately obvious that the question wasn't going to be salvageable.

If you remove those questions from the equation, you're left with a few different types of questions:

  • Questions that were never off-topic. These questions were mistakenly closed and didn't need any editing to make them on-topic. These questions were very rare.
  • Questions that were edited to be on-topic after closure but never reopened. These were probably as rare as the previous type of question.
  • Questions that were actually off-topic, but received a good answer and could be edited to fit that answer. As I said previously, we weren't worried about invalidating answers that consisted primarily of links or opinions. These were fairly common.
  • Questions that were asking for tools, but the scope of the tasks being performed were reasonable enough to be the topic of a question. These questions were edited to be "How to" questions instead. These questions were also fairly common.
  • Questions that were truly off-topic and could not be made on-topic, but still contained useful information. We tried getting wiki locks put on these, but it was deemed that they were too far off-topic and should just be deleted. These questions were very rare.
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This hearkens back to a lot of what I've been saying about certain questions - there are a few which can be salvaged, even if they run afoul of the community guidelines at first.

I am delighted to see this process at least get a trial run, and I'm glad to have participated in it. That said...

Positives

  • I'm quite seriously happy about this effort. I want to see it continue, perhaps on questions closed with an old close reason?

  • Allowing users with sufficient reputation to take care of the process made things fairly smooth.

  • By and large, we were able to avoid groupthink and were able to objectively get these questions back in shape.

Negatives

  • Editing the main post was a bit of a nightmare. HTML embedded directly into the list of questions meant that we had to preserve that, too, and every so often a missing </i> meant that the entire post was italicized. (Not that this was a huge problem, but it left room for error.) Also, conflicting edits made several editors working in concert have to wait their turn in essence until one question was moved from one section to another.

  • There was some confusion as to whether or not we should edit the titles of the question in this post. I did on a few, but I still feel like the system is more capable than I in handling this sort of thing (which goes back to the, "why HTML why" piece earlier).

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  • The HTML was my fault. It was the only way to have scrollbars.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jan 26, 2017 at 15:55
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Update: I have now taken the time to flag all the answers I could judge as NAA, those are now deleted. If someone else wants to have a look to evaluate the ones I skipped because I was unsure, that'd be nice.

However, the bulk of bad posts has been handled now.


I have to say, I'm quite unhappy with the results of the salvage-part of this effort.

First of all, there is stuff left that's still not really more than a resource request by wording, for example Pure Java HTML viewer/renderer for use in a Scrollable pane

Then, you reopened stuff that is so broad that it won't get a decent answer that's not a tool/lib recommendation, like How to serialize data in C and probably quite a few more if you look at it with fitting domain knowledge. Those questions just attract new tool-only answers, like this one.

But most importantly, the answers "that are more than just links to things", which supposedly exist for every reopened question, are still buried under a ton of answers that are exactly "just links to things".


The first two points, while not pretty, are probably rare enough to be dealt with through normal voting, with the help of SOCVR where needed. The last one, however, is an unnecessarily big problem. I tried to solve that problem with flagging, but there are just so many answers that should be deleted that it did not seem like a reasonable solution, so eventually I gave up.

You don't really improve the situation of search results being outdated link collections if you just edit and reopen the question. You also need to get the answers that are not just links to things into the line of sight of the reader.

So please, for this and for potential future iterations: Have a mod delete all the tool/lib-only answers from the reopened questions, as suggested by 4castle.

Also, if in doubt, have someone with domain knowledge check if the revised question is actually answerable.

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    So where were you? We could've obviously used you back then.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jul 2, 2017 at 23:51
  • Gimme a gist of those that need deletion @baum and I'll see what I can do to help you.
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 2:54
  • @Makato Better late than never ;)
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 2:55
  • @Makoto That somehow slipped my attention when it was going on, I just ran into it when someone pointed out one of my [cv-pls] where reopened by SOCVR folks and Shog.
    – Baum mit Augen Mod
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 11:03
  • @BhargavRao Will do, thanks!
    – Baum mit Augen Mod
    Commented Jul 3, 2017 at 11:03

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