So on Mark Amery's Feedback post about the newest blog post, I wrote this comment:
If you're gonna use any user input to define "unwelcoming" y'all are going to be in for a rough time. The userbase of this site is diverse enough for there to be contradictory definitions of unwelcoming for different people. But I'm sure you know that and the data scientists know that too, so what is this exercise for?
Due to a prompt from staff I'm posting it as its own question, but I'll expand a bit further.
According to the new Code of Conduct Proposal, the various past blog posts and explicit statements the stated goal is to make Stack Overflow less unwelcoming.
The problem I have with this goal is that it is borderline impossible to define. From the direction the staff are going in, they're going to try and act on unwelcoming comments first. The problem here is ironically with how diverse Stack Overflow's userbase is.
We have people from all over the world on this network. We have many different cultures that have sometimes widely contradictory norms and values. So far we've tried to address this by focusing on the technical nature of the problems: Everything that wasn't explicitly important for the technical process of finding answers to your questions was considered noise and removed.
Moderators are already pretty liberal with deleting comments once they've outlived their usefulness or if they're noise. This was always the shield we managed to hide behind to quell any cross-cultural debate of niceness: All technical, what isn't technical needs to go.
Now with the new efforts, the goal seems to be to be especially welcoming to a wider audience. Quality concerns aside, I don't think we can arrive at a sufficiently specific and yet universally applicable definition for that.
With how many wildly different cultures are represented at Stack Overflow, any sufficiently specific definition of unwelcoming to be actionable by the wider userbase will be unwelcoming to another portion of the site. For instance:
I find comments with lots of phrasing and lots of couching and encouragement wrapping criticism to be rude and condesecending: They waste my time and I know it's insincere.
Other people (that I've seen!) react a lot better and a lot more receptively to feedback if you couch it this way
Anything in between.
Trying to get through to people and to not make them feel belittled is an art. Every person needs a different approach and it's not guaranteed to work. Some people will find anything that isn't expressly validating them and their opinions to be belittling.
Are there any concrete plans on how we'll arrive at a sufficiently specific yet universally applicable definition of "unwelcoming" so that it'll be actionable?
Stack Overflow obviously wants to expect more from its long term users, but how can we begin to define that?