Timeline for With a userbase as diverse as Stack Overflow's, how will we arrive at an actionable definition of "unwelcoming"?
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Aug 16, 2018 at 4:43 | comment | added | mickmackusa | @usr2564301 consider rephrasing: "So, when I read a question and I know the answer, I am required to answer it?" to "So, when I read a question and I can provide resolution, I am required to resolve it?". It important to value answering and closing as equally valuable services by our knowledgeable community. | |
Jul 15, 2018 at 17:05 | comment | added | anatolyg | If you see a bad question, you can help by explaining why it is bad, and suggesting improvement. You can do it in 2 ways - the nice way (which we all want) or the unwelcoming way (by mistake). The analogy is, normal people will try to help, and risk being called off as rude. While the American culture suggests doing nothing, in order to avoid the risk. | |
Jul 15, 2018 at 2:15 | comment | added | Draco18s no longer trusts SE | @Izkata Requiring CPR training is a reasonable thing IMO, as without proper training you can cause more harm than good. This is still a far cry from China's state a couple years ago. However, point made. | |
Jul 14, 2018 at 23:55 | comment | added | Izkata | @Draco18s By your own link, in my state, the the law only applies if you've already been trained & certified in whatever you tried to do to help. The vast majority of the population are not, so the law doesn't apply. And for example, per nvoigt's discovery, the very first thing we're taught in school about CPR is: Don't even try if you're not trained, because you will mess up and cause more harm than good. | |
Jul 14, 2018 at 7:07 | comment | added | nvoigt | @Draco18s Good samaritan laws are "applicable local state laws" because they are not nationwide and vary by state. Your case might be covered in one, but not in another. They also only give you protection when you help, walking away not helping still seems the safest alternative if you go by the letters of the law. | |
Jul 13, 2018 at 22:37 | comment | added | Draco18s no longer trusts SE |
helping somebody is not mandatory. If that person dies while you walk away... /shrug/ too bad. If you do help that person, you better know what you are doing, because if you make a mistake, you need to get a good lawyer and find an applicable local state law to not be held liable Um, Good Samaritan laws are a thing...You sure you aren't thinking of China?
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Jul 13, 2018 at 22:28 | comment | added | user4581301 | Canada's legal system also limits the desirability of a frivolous lawsuit. Quite often the loser pays the court costs, adding significant risk of loss if you're just suing in case you get lucky. Unfortunately fear of further loss also keeps legitimate complaints out of the system. | |
Jul 13, 2018 at 15:35 | comment | added | fbueckert | @mbrig I think it's a societal and cultural shift; here in Canada, medical care is taken care of. People aren't going to sue you because they can't cover their bills, so that limits much of the incentive to sue. I believe the US also has a bit of a reputation as a litigious lot, creating an active disincentive to help. I'm not sure how prevalent that is in Europe. | |
Jul 13, 2018 at 15:29 | comment | added | mbrig | @fbueckert I suppose, but if you decide all your actions out of worry that somebody will sue you for something that is explicitly allowed, well, you won't lead much of a life. I'm not 100% certain, but couldn't someone also file a frivolous in most of Europe? | |
Jul 13, 2018 at 15:26 | comment | added | fbueckert | @mbrig For that, they'd have to know who you were. If you just walked away, chances of that are negligible. | |
Jul 13, 2018 at 15:26 | comment | added | mbrig | @fbueckert There's also nothing stopping them from suing you for not helping. Merely filing a suit has very very few restrictions. | |
Jul 13, 2018 at 15:21 | comment | added | fbueckert | @mbrig Perhaps, but it doesn't stop the person they were helping from suing them, forcing them to spend time and money defending themselves. I know I wouldn't want to help someone if there was a chance I had to go to court because they think I did something wrong/don't have insurance/looking for a payday. | |
Jul 13, 2018 at 14:44 | comment | added | mbrig | While I understand the analogy, "good samaritan" laws in pretty much everywhere in the US protect good-faith/non-negligent attempts at helping. | |
Jul 13, 2018 at 12:31 | history | answered | nvoigt | CC BY-SA 4.0 |