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There's a world of ambiguity and mis-tagging between and . Can we sort it?

The Issues

  1. and are stated as for talking about bootstrapping in terms of computer start-up, however the vast majority of questions tagged with it instead refer to the popular Bootstrap Framework - which is currently denoted on SO as .

  2. Bootstrap the framework is no longer named 'Twitter Bootstrap', now just 'Bootstrap' after a split with Twitter, and thus the tag name we're using for it is outdated.

The Stats

I did a quick count up of the last 50 questions tagged with , and , where the mis-tagging issues are most rampant.

  • 38% of questions refer to Bootstrap the framework, and should not be tagged as such.
  • 90% of refer to Bootstrap the framework, and supposedly should not be tagged as such.

A Solution

This is a problem that has been brought up a few times before, but never yet been sorted. 1 2 3. Despite being clearly stated in the tag wiki's for and , questions are still constantly tagged 'incorrectly'. With 15-20 questions a day now hitting - I also think it's too big to manually clean up now and again.

I'd suggest the following:

  1. , and are renamed , and . Bootstrap framework was a tag name suggested here - and I can't think of a better name. Another option is to make itself refer to the framework, but then there's still a level of ambiguity.

  2. All questions about bootstrap startup processes are tagged under . There's an argument against that here, but in my opinion, now the bootstrap framework has got so big, it no longer works as a standalone tag, and there's a greater need. The relevant Wikipedia article is named 'bootstrapping' - so I don't think it can be too far from what we want it for.

  3. is burninated. Although perhaps not, if we decide to instead tag all Bootstrap-framework questions with it.

  4. I'm not entirely sure how synonym tags work in SO, but if it's appropriate, et al. should be synonyms of our new * tags, as although 'Twitter Bootstrap' is not an official name, I imagine the library will still be referred to as such for a few years yet.

  5. Hopefully questions tagged both * and * can have the [bootstrap] tag manually removed, as I'm not sure of any situation where to two topics could legitimately overlap!

Doing anything about any of this is way above the means of my puny SO reputation, but would be interested to know people's thoughts, and for a solution to be put in place. Suggestions for a better tag name than are also welcome!

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    Is there any possibility of also retagging all sufficiently old questions related to the framework with a tag specific to Bootstrap v2? There are a lot of outdated answers that are no longer correct for Bootstrap v3. I imagine that the vast majority of questions asked prior to the release of Bootstrap v3.0.0 RC1 are implicitly about Bootstrap v2.
    – cvrebert
    Commented Apr 19, 2014 at 6:22
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    As a member of the Bootstrap core dev team, I can tell you that no, v3 is not particularly backwards-compatible.
    – cvrebert
    Commented Apr 20, 2014 at 2:07
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    bootstrap-popover should probably also be merged into twitter-bootstrap...
    – Mooseman
    Commented Jul 5, 2014 at 21:33
  • @Mooseman - I don't think there's a problem with having specific tags for specific language features is there?
    – Chris
    Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 18:02
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    @Chris No, but it's redundant.
    – Mooseman
    Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 18:26
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    For the love of God something needs to be done. Powers that be please fix this.
    – j08691
    Commented Aug 9, 2014 at 19:31
  • @j08691 This is not something that can easily be "fixed"; you can't run a simple script for it, it has to be done on a case-by-case basis.
    – Mr Lister
    Commented Aug 15, 2014 at 7:28
  • Totally agree on renaming [bootstrap] to [bootstrapping] for the startup processes. This tags are a mess.
    – oɔɯǝɹ
    Commented Jan 15, 2015 at 19:18
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    For the love of God something needs to be done to fix this.
    – j08691
    Commented Feb 4, 2015 at 14:59
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    If 90% of questions tagged with [bootstrap] are related to the CSS framework, I think the tag needs to change, it's that simple, synomise it with [bootstrap-framework] and let's be done with this.
    – Joe
    Commented Mar 5, 2015 at 21:08
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    I've seen people excessively tagging their questions: [twitter-bootstrap], [bootstrap]. Something must be done, how are people going to ask questions really about bootstraping now? Commented Jul 16, 2015 at 15:46
  • The bootstrap tag is back, and too active to kill off again by retagging. What do we do now? Commented Jan 26, 2016 at 5:08
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    It appears that bootstrap-4 is actually the recommended tag on the official bootstrap site.
    – Didier L
    Commented Sep 16, 2016 at 19:37

4 Answers 4

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As the Bootstrap Framework originated at Twitter, but is not named Twitter Bootstrap (anymore) I believe the tag should be:

And components of the framework should follow suit:

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    I don't think components of a framework deserver a tag on their own, those of angularJS were burninated after all.
    – Walfrat
    Commented Jun 7, 2017 at 9:40
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Okay, something needs to be done about this.
About 98% of all new bootstrap questions are about the framework!
And it feels like the remaining 2% are about statistical bootstrapping.

The tag is way too ambiguous and definitely has to go.
I suggest:

Step One [Done]:

Burninate .
Retag:

Step Two:

Apply BAR's answer:

I believe the tag should be:

And components of the framework should follow suit:

Or bring some consistency into it by other means.

Step Three:

Blacklist ?
It has been re-created and re-burninated at least three four times so far!


Now, since this question has a significant number of upvotes, has been left to rot here for over a year, other questions get closed as duplicates of this one, and nothing has been done about it whatsoever:

Unless someone's stopping me, I'm just gonna go ahead and start with Step One myself.

Also, why does everybody have to name their shit "bootstrap"?! -.-

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  • what about the real bootstraping questions? Do they get burninated too? Commented Aug 23, 2015 at 5:16
  • I don't think burninate is the right term here because you would want to keep bootstrap on the questions that actually represent the term bootstrap which has nothing to do with the responsive framework. Unless I'm wrong about what burninate means. It does mean to burn it down in a mass of flames using a delete command that is irreversible right? Commented Aug 23, 2015 at 6:08
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    No, you do not want to keep bootstrap at all. I've been retagging and monitoring the bootstrap tag for almost a month now, and 99% of new questions tagged bootstrap are referring to the twitter framework. We can't keep retagging them for all eternity - the tag is too ambiguous and therefore has to go. Questions that rightfully use bootstrap are equally well off with bootstrapping, which has the same meaning, but won't be used to refer to the twitter framework. And you're right about the flame inferno, but retagging may occur prior to that ;)
    – Siguza
    Commented Aug 23, 2015 at 11:38
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    @EricB Just as an example, those are the last 50 questions tagged bootstrap, and every single one of them refers to twitter-bootstrap...
    – Siguza
    Commented Aug 23, 2015 at 20:15
  • I'm starting to see what you mean lol, that's a joke, I completely understand now and it makes sense! Commented Aug 24, 2015 at 1:32
  • You incorrectly retagged valid bootstrap questions to some other nonsense... bootstrap is perfectly fine tag in terms of compilers. You messed it up. You also deleted the info in the bootstrap tag. I am not happy.
    – leppie
    Commented Sep 7, 2015 at 11:56
  • The suggest bootstrapping has nonsensical info. Where is the original bootstrap info?
    – leppie
    Commented Sep 7, 2015 at 11:59
  • @leppie I suppose it has been removed along with the tag (which has since been recreated though -.-), but the info was similar.
    – Siguza
    Commented Sep 7, 2015 at 18:13
  • @Siguza: No, there was a proper description. Not the misinformation presented in bootstrapping.
    – leppie
    Commented Sep 7, 2015 at 18:29
  • @leppie So write a better wiki entry for [bootstrapping]. We aren't going to keep around a big problem just for a few useful bits of info. Commented Sep 7, 2015 at 18:41
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OK, the problem persisted. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/bootstrap

I just thought of a possible solution for similar tag issues, not too smart and automated but may work.

How about writing a new cleansing script for future retagging issues. Clearly , , etc needs retagging and make synonyms of or burninate minor tags.

Step 1:

Starting the procedure, asking all users to retag all their asked questions which are tagged with or with both and , etc. through a wizard UI, like:

Are you asking for help with the web developing framework Bootstrap v.3?
http://getbootstrap.com

Or is it Bootstrap v.2?
http://getbootstrap.com/2.3.2/

Or is it bootstraping that means the procedure of starting up a computer or application?

[bootstrap framework 3] [bootstrap framework 2] [bootstrapping the computer] [I'm not sure]

Questions tagged without actions are sent for review.

Step 2:

Make synonyms or burninate minor tags.

Step 3:

  • Implement a script asking the user if the creation of the tag is absolutely needed and state there is already a very similar tag.
  • Implement a script to prevent from ever created unless they have enough reputation.
  • Implement a script to check when a question is tagged with both and then ask the user if it was intended and tell them info on each tag.

I'm again stressing. I think this might work for other similar problems.

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  • Isn't burninate the wrong thing to do with bootstrap tag because you would still want that tag to represent questions about bootstrap (the computer related term for things other than the responsive framework bootstrap. In other news. I like step 3! Is step 1 actually possible? Commented Aug 23, 2015 at 6:06
  • @EricB Sorry, I guess I didn't express myself clear enough. I wanted minor tags like bootstrap-tabs to get deleted because it is too minor and very few people actually follows the tags. It would be better if they only used twitter-bootstrap or whatever the tag is going to get renamed like the others suggested. Commented Aug 23, 2015 at 7:13
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    Don't think that you were not clear enough, your answer is fine. It does seem a bit like a new question in the form of an answer, but maybe a solution as well. I get things wrong all the time, so it's most likely me. lol I understand what you are saying and I see now what is happening. Thanks for the clarification anyways!~ Commented Aug 23, 2015 at 7:32
  • @EricB You know people, "marked as duplicate". Same discussion in same question, that's the deal ;) Commented Aug 23, 2015 at 7:46
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using the tag bootstrap-framework could lead to the same discussion here, if another framework comes out using the same name. A better solution would be to rename it to something obvious like bootstrap-css, to clearly show that it is related to CSS. And the currently existing tags which refer to versions of the framework aliased to it.

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    bootstrap is not just css Commented Jul 16, 2015 at 15:45
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    Note time of writing (v3 was still beta) and most of the JS was about to complement the styling iirc. Commented Jul 16, 2015 at 17:12

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