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I had to review an answer to the following question:

VSCode - Python - List Index Limit Max 300 - Debugger

I have a list contains several hundred entries. I think the total size of the list is 3.5MB.

When debugging an issue I can't seem to view any entry passed 300 and I see this message 'Too large to show contents. Max items to show: 300'

Any ideas?

The answer to review was:

Note that you can watch an index of a list : ie watch listname[1000] to show just the 1000th element

In my opinion, this is actually a rather good answer. The question is about how to see an entry with an index greater than 300 and the answer shows concisely a simple solution. It includes all needed information and it is an idea not mentioned in any other answer of that question.

The audit states:

This was an audit, designed to see if you were paying attention. You didn't pass.

I feel this is a rather arrogant statement, accusing me of not paying attention. In actual fact, I spent minutes, reading also all the other answers, which would not be really required for a review.

It's upsetting to be accused of not paying attention, when, in my maybe-not-so humble opinion, the audit's assumption "This answer was of very poor quality, and needed significant improvements to be useful" is simply not true.

Even more upsetting is that there is no way to dispute the audit outcome. If Stack Overflow expects me to spend hours for reviewing for free, at least they could:

  1. Not insult me.
  2. Give me an easy way to dispute an audit.

I did spend an hour trying to find an answer on https://meta.stackoverflow.com/ how to dispute an audit. All I found was answers by some normal users like me, discussing if the audit was right or wrong. But I could not find anywhere how to dispute an audit.

If Stack Overflow feels it is ok to insult its reviewers and doesn't provide an easy way to dispute wrong audits, I would not be surprised if fewer and fewer are willing to do reviewing. I, at least, am done reviewing after this frustrating experience for the day.

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    Does this answer your question? I do not understand why I failed this audit Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 10:50
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    I sympathize with your feelings, but don't understand what you mean by dispute. Did you get a ban following this audit? If not, learn the best you can from this audit, and simply move on
    – Tomerikoo
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 10:54
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    Please, leave out all the bits about "arrogance", "accusations", and "insulting reviewers". It's just a very naive system doing its job. Instead of taking it personally, see if there isn't something to learn (or to fix) from this experience.
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 10:54
  • I think users start out reviewing as soon as they get the new (duty?) privilege. Some have somewhat disappointing experiences and some of those just stop reviewing. That's perfectly fine. I'm personally disappointed that the entire process doesn't properly onboard new users.
    – Scratte
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 11:02
  • Worth reading, if you haven't. (Or re-areading, if you have)
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 11:02
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    Does this answer your question? How to appeal a review audit Basically this says to open a Meta question, but it lays out a clear guide for how to structure the question. It does not include whining and rage quitting as far as I can see. Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 11:20
  • You failed the audit since you failed to identify an answer that had already been deleted due to it being extremely low quality. I see nothing wrong with that review, if your opening the question in another tag, it’s obviously a review audit (most audits are). The automatic commentary saying it didn’t answer the question, with a link to a review, should prevented you from choosing the option you chose Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 11:46
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    I am confused. You say "In actual fact, I spent minutes, reading also all the other answers, which would not be really required for a review." – at the moment your review is 1 hour old and the answer was deleted 9 days ago. Did you not realise the answer was deleted, or did you realise it and still think the answer was okay? Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 11:55
  • @SecurityHound The Answer isn't a "Not an Answer". The Low Quality Posts queue is not suppose to do anything other than verifying/validating a "Not an Answer"-flag. It's not a queue to decide the technical quality of the Answer in any way. That people use it to get rid of stuff without having the privilege to actually delete wrong Answers doesn't make it right.
    – Scratte
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 12:00
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    @Scratte this review audit wasn't on the LQP queue. Was on the LA queue. It's usually good to get your facts right before posting a rant.
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 12:01
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    No, @Scratte, the actions not "supposed to be similar". LA queue is a much more subtle queue. Answers are not simply judged to be or not to be "an answer".
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 12:05
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    No, @Scratte, one could have passed the LA review by other actions than flagging. Conflating these things does not help. This is a question about a review-audit in the LA queue, the appropriate actions there are what's relevant. The problem here was choosing "No Action Needed" for this specific audit.
    – yivi
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 12:13
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    @Scratte - I never said it wasn’t an answer. I said it was low quality, had been deleted by review, my comment was about the audit being obviously an audit. I get what this question is about, and perhaps it serves a purpose, but the audit in this case is a legitimate audit. 3/4 of the reviewers of the answer have more than 10K reputation on SO. One was 50,000 another 90,000 Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 12:33
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    Frankly, this is a terrible audit, and arguably shouldn't have been deleted by LQP in the first place. Two of the reviewers voted "Looks OK." It may be a mediocre answer (watching one additional element isn't super useful), but it's an answer, and it adds something to the question.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 12:45
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    @RyanM - It was an answer that was deleted by users with 50,000, 90,000, and 11,000 reputation. If those users are deleting an answer that shouldn't have been deleted something should be done to signal to those users that is the case. However, I disagree, the answer was terrible. It read like a comment. Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 15:29

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In my opinion, this is a mediocre audit at best, and arguably shouldn't have been deleted by LQP in the first place. Two of the reviewers voted "Looks OK." It may be a mediocre answer (watching one additional element isn't super useful), but it's an answer, and it adds something to the question.

That said..."No action needed" isn't exactly correct. This is Late Answers, so the actions that should be taken are broader than just a yes/no on whether the post should stay at all. The biggest issue I see is that it contains code (listname[1000]) that isn't code-formatted in the post. That should have been edited to show a new user how to properly format their posts. If we're really nitpicking, "ie" should be "i.e.," as well.

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    Agreed. To add on that, it also really calls for a comment (Something like "your answer is very broad and vague, try to add some details"), which I believe would be considered as passing the audit
    – Tomerikoo
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 13:01
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    I also want to point out that the answer is wrong. listname[1000] is actually going to get the 1001st element due to Python indexes starting at 0.
    – M-Chen-3
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 15:05
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    @M-Chen-3 "There are two hard things in computer science: cache invalidation, naming things, and off-by-one errors."
    – VLAZ
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 15:52
  • The I formatted code was the biggest reason I considered that a horrible answer beyond the fact it was also an incorrect answer. Which is probably the reason it was deleted. Commented Mar 25, 2021 at 12:24
  • Let's assume the Answer had not been deleted, but was still used in an audit. Wouldn't any other action apart from upvoting → "I'm Done" or "No Actions Needed" have failed them in that audit? Meaning pressing "edit" (along with downvoting or flagging) would have failed them?
    – Scratte
    Commented Mar 25, 2021 at 13:47
  • @Scratte depends on what moderation was performed in reality. Will there ever be an audit on an answer which was not in fact deleted I wonder?
    – Gimby
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 14:20
  • @Gimby Interestingly.. I can't find a single of my own audit reviews in Late Answers, where the Answer hadn't been deleted. That is a little disturbing.
    – Scratte
    Commented Mar 26, 2021 at 15:00

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