Recently, Prashanth Chandrasekar introduced himself on Stack Overflow Meta and engaged with us. I, Aaron Hall, a moderator, wrote up my synthesis of where I think we currently stand, and I offered to meet with him. We did. My summary of the meeting is that:
- Stack Overflow fully engaged on each issue and was not dismissive.
- I did not feel patronized or talked down to.
- I did feel they sincerely buy into the partnership with the community.
What follows is a more in-depth accounting of the meeting.
The new CEO, Prashanth, accepted my offer to meet.
At that point, I immediately went to work making notes to help me think about the situation. I applied every relevant mental framework I could think of. (See the source of this post for an abbreviated representation of the notes, which are html-commented out).
I also made an outline of what I wanted us to discuss, so I could record their response.
I took my notes and laptop to the company, arrived at 11:52, and was asked to wait in the mini-cafe by the front desk. At about noon, Ben Popper, Sara Chipps, and Prashanth Chandrasekar introduced themselves to me. We all grabbed a small plate of food from the cafeteria and headed down to a conference room.
I outlined my ambitions for the meeting.
Then we looked at my analysis notes and went back to the issues I outlined, where I took careful notes on the responses.
We had a small interruption for about a half hour, where Prashanth was called away, but asked us not to progress on the points while he was out.
I'm going to apologize up front to the individuals in the community. I may have missed an issue that is important to you. I may have mis-, over- or under-stated your case. I want you to know that I did my best to reflect the sense I can gather of the matters that I felt were most important to you.
A full transcript would have been impossible, and we did not make a recording, so I also did my best to be a good secretary, and take as good notes as I was able. Where I attribute and quote, "Stack Overflow," that is mostly CEO, Prashanth, but Sara and Ben also contributed here.
We spent the most of our time on the first few points. But I was careful to get responses on all of them. The remainder of this post has the points I raised, and the responses (as blockquotes), followed by my conclusions.
In General
- Stack Overflow needs to get in front of issues before they become bad.
- This is about feelings and emotions.
- Users feel hurt.
- We know employees feel hurt too.
- We don't want people to be hurt.
Stack Overflow:
- We (at Stack Overflow) are trying to define next era of company.
- We wouldn't exist without the community.
- Framework: community is foundational - under product, everything surrounds that.
- Community has to be renewed.
- Investment in community. Avoid being reactive.
- Authentic voice of the company: action over words.
- New processes to deliver.
- Underpromise, overachieve.
- Commit to get in front of problems before they get bigger.
- This is the ultimate responsibility of the CEO, the buck stops here.
- Stack Overflow spends a lot of time on these issues.
- We need to explain the "why".
Firing of Community Elected Moderator, Monica Cellio
- We, the community, assume Stack Overflow presumed bad faith on Monica's part.
- We presume good faith on Monica's part.
- We assert heavy-handedness, impatience, and lack of process on Stack Overflow's part.
- We know the larger community cannot know the details.
- Many users (especially moderators) have "Reinstate Monica" in their names and avatars.
(Note that we spent a good bit of time on this issue. I pulled up examples of moderators and users who feel so strongly about this issue that they have modified their avatars and usernames. I asked for Monica's unconditional reinstatement many times - when kindly rebuffed, I presented more information, answered more questions, and then asked again.)
Stack Overflow:
- Legal settlement prevents discussion.
- Anyone who was a moderator must go through the application for reinstatement process.
Community managers released from service
- We, the community, assume they were fired.
- We assume they were not fired for cause.
- We know we cannot get more information.
- We want you to bring Josh Heyer back as a contractor to contribute to community strategy.
- Can he be eligible to run for moderator?
Stack Overflow:
- Cannot comment on an employee that's no longer here.
- We have huge respect for those who got us where we are today.
- Anyone meeting the existing qualifications may run for moderator.
Licensing
- MIT licensing of code was proposed, but held back due to community naysayers.
- CC-BY-SA incremented from 3.0 to 4.0. - likely in good faith.
- Vast majority of community likely fine with 4.0.
- Vast majority not fine with fait accompli.
- Some (a very few?) thought that this happened in bad faith.
Stack Overflow:
- We have apologized for the fait accompli.
- We want to signal our intent to keep up with future changes to CC-BY-SA.
- We will create a process and be engaged on licensing issues on Meta.
- We have had hours of meetings on this, and it is a big priority.
- We have no intention of moving away from Creative Commons or paywalling users content in any way.
Minimax legal strategies
- Minimizing chance of maximum loss will drive down the expected value of Stack Overflow.
- Investors diversify to deal with this.
- They want you to take the risks specific to you and reap the rewards specific to you as well.
- We feel like the lawyers are in charge.
Stack Overflow:
- We want an authentic voice in the community, not one characterized by buzzwords.
- We're going to drive strategy, not our lawyers.
- CEO will commit to continue posting on Meta at least quarterly.
Question Quality
- Answerers feel like the quality of questions is in decline.
- Answerers feel like the company doesn't care, and this motivates the "Welcoming" initiative.
- Some users feel like Stack Overflow being support for platforms is a bad thing.
Stack Overflow:
- Being welcoming is not mutually exclusive to question quality.
- Question quality will still be gated by the mechanisms available to reviewers and answerers.
- We keep a close eye on these metrics, product team is actively looking into it.
- We've heard this, and it's making us look closer.
- We want to maintain the site quality. We define it here.
Investment in tools and ongoing site development
- We've seen indication of investment made in the past.
- Users feel like we're not seeing more investment in improving the site.
- We feel like this could improve the new user situation.
Stack Overflow:
- We need the economic engine to sustainably invest back in the community.
- We want to deliver in a product centered fashion.
- How do we quantify this? The Loop.
- We'll be publishing results from the survey that we just collected, which had around 5,000 respondents.
- Along with The Loop, we also look to our site satisfaction survey, which reached around 10,000 respondents.
- We want to be transparent about why we make the decisions we make regarding the site.
Being Welcoming
- Most users feel like they're already welcoming.
- To an individual user, it's always other users that are rude and unwelcoming.
- If you tell me that I'm unwelcoming, I'm hurt and offended.
- Instead of us all sharing the blame, we need to call out hurtful behavior when we see it.
Stack Overflow:
- Site satisfaction survey still gives feedback that users' top concern is that they don't feel welcome. We need to listen to this data.
- We appreciate that everyone means well and wants to help. Just getting involved in a community like ours signals that you want to help others.
- Commit to being more welcoming while having high standards. Again, we believe a more welcoming community is not mutually exclusive with question quality.
Pronouns and future changes to the code of conduct
- Intentional misgendering would already be considered abusive.
- The vast majority of us understand the desire to continue to be more inclusive.
- What is the process going forward to update the Code of Conduct?
Stack Overflow:
- We want all users to feel respected.
- We had users asking us for clarity around misgendering.
- We want to be as understanding as possible.
- We need all users to cooperate with the spirit of our policies.
What is the mission/vision of Stack Overflow
- The mission that got us here is to create a repository of high quality Q&A.
- This has evolved.
Stack Overflow:
- We are still committed to creating a repository of high quality Q&A.
- But our mission has also evolved.
- For many years now our founder Joel and others have said our mission is: "Helping developers write the script of the future"
- Recently our new CEO updated the mission statement: "Helping write the script of the future by serving developers and technical workers."
- Changes:
- adding, "technical workers," and
- Stack Overflow is clarifying that we are, "serving."
How will Stack Overflow enshrine these commitments?
- Promises are easy to make.
- Promises are easy to break.
- A balanced scorecard will allow management to
- balance quarterly numbers with less tangible goals.
- align non-financial goals with the overall strategy of the firm.
- C-Suite accountability.
Stack Overflow:
- We have rolled out 6 core values.
- Community is one of these.
- Employees that put community first will be rewarded.
- We have defined top 5 strategic priorities for the year.
- Community engagement and inclusion is an important priority.
- Engagement is important to question quality.
- We have specific metrics we want to increase.
- How do we welcome more and more people.
- Commit to fairness.
- How do we quantify the qualitative relationship between the users and the firm
- Surveys.
- The Loop.
- Friendly versus unfriendly comments.
- We ask, "Are communities growing?"
Summary
In summary - I met with the CEO of Stack Overflow and some of his leadership team. They were all fully engaged with the discussion.
When they saw what I had prepared, and that I intended to make a full report back to the community, they wanted to extend our time together to immediately address each issue.
I felt that they were engaged on each of the concerns I raised.
I hope, as our partnership continues, that you get the same sense as well.
The question is, what do you think?
Response to comments
There have been comments that imply that vision and values are simply buzzwords that mean very little. I told the firm we either need to unpack these kinds of terminology, or avoid them altogether if it's not important.
So, since I think they're important, I'm going to follow my own advice, and do my best to unpack the meaning here.
Here's where I'm coming from: I have read many business textbooks written by, and taken many graduate level courses taught by, professors with PhDs in Psychology and Organizational Behavior, that assert vision is the foundational idea supporting the strategic management of the firm.
This is where we stop using, "management", and switch to "leadership".
Let me unpack these terms.
- Vision: This is what we aspire to be in the future.
- Mission: This states why we exist and what role we fit in society.
- Values: This is how we're going to do it.
It's true that these are words. They form a theory of how Stack Overflow (or any organization) is supposed to be run. We shall see how, in practice, they meet this theory.
The phrase, "gap between theory and practice" is a bit of a cliché (feel free to search it). As an organizational behavior professor of mine once said, "The gap between theory and practice is a lie." But the new management needs time to put its vision, mission, and values into practice. My ask is that we give them the presumption of good faith at this time.
We have apologized for the fait accompli
happened? Can you edit in a link to that? I was under the impression that SO just did it and never looked back