For your perusal:
I would like feedback on the comments below the question. Are they appropriate under the "Be Nice," "Welcome Wagon" and various revisions of the Code of Conduct?
All feedback is welcome.
For your perusal:
I would like feedback on the comments below the question. Are they appropriate under the "Be Nice," "Welcome Wagon" and various revisions of the Code of Conduct?
All feedback is welcome.
My 2 cents:
I don't believe the comments are "not nice" (or breaking the CoC in any way), but that they are mostly useless.
Linking to a generic "how to ask a good question" post or article is not much better than the help provided by the links on the "on-hold" banner.
Comments should, if possible, provide actionable feedback that's specific to the post they address.
I understand that you posted the comments before the question was closed, but the reasoning is the same even in the absence of the banner.
Canned comments are rarely perceived as useful by those who receive them. If that's all one has to offer, I believe it is better to limit feedback to different kinds of votes, and let the system work; or just leave it up to someone else to provide more helpful feedback.
You do not explain what made you think that these comments might run afoul of the CoC (update or not), so maybe I am missing an important angle.
The comments are not rude or unkind, but I do not believe it would be wrong if they were deleted as "no longer needed", since they are not useful for the post owner nor future readers.
Are they "appropriate"?
This really gets into the interpretation of appropriate. By tautology, we can expand to suitable, proper, or again, appropriate.
The intention of the policy is terribly communicated, so wordsmithing definitions will get us nowhere. I think your meta question just looks like frustration with a lack of overall guidance related to that.
What is clear, however, is that there is and has always been a continual push towards actual positive engagement when choosing to comment. That is why "what have you tried" was removed. If you are going to leave a comment, then commit to the situation.
Let's face it, you didn't commit to improving this post. And why should you? It is a terrible fit for this site. Stack Overflow is not designed to explain something so broad and open ended as variable naming in the same space as something so narrow that it would apply to this user's exact level of education in the subject.
We as a community expect a high level of commitment to projects. We expect research, insight, and corroboration. Often, that doesn't happen. Linking to something explaining in detail all of the ways to improve in situations such as this one generally has little success.
Luckily, we can simply vote and move on. Hopefully with the outcome of moving on to something worthwhile.
If your goal is to simply curate content and remove as much off topic stuff as possible, then commenting will get you nowhere. I am sure at this point you can recognize who will reform and who will not; as well as being able to recognize which posts can and cannot be redeemed.
If your goal is to create content, then let's get some work done on that front. We have all spent so much time focusing on how to remove things we have lost touch with the true driver of progress at the site.
Let's figure out how to make questions that we encounter during the "and move on" phase worth our time, and focus on that endeavor.
I would like feedback on the comments below the question. Are they appropriate under the "Be Nice," "Welcome Wagon" and various revisions of the Code of Conduct?
They are not nice, but also not not nice. They are technically correct, but maybe lack additional details. First comment is basically RTFM comment with link to documentation. Without that link, it would be rude, with the link it gives sufficient initial feedback and starting point for the OP.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
It depends who is reading. If person is open to feedback, they will be grateful for link and they will not nitpick around niceness. For some people "Please go read..." is sufficiently nicer than same comment without please. Some people find please condescending.
Some people leave "Welcome to Stack Overflow...." canned comments that span four or more lines. They may be more nicely wrapped, but on another hand they are too long to read and get to the point.
Possible improvements
Adding Please
Adding a bit more context - if question is too broad then something like "This question is too broad and as such not suitable for Stack Overflow. Read How do I ask a Good Question?"
Adding canned comment that matches close banner
Writing longer comment that explains in more detail what is wrong with the question again with link to "How to write..."
Should one leave low effort comment of low effort question?
Basic issue here is that new contributors asking and answering don't get any official feedback until it is too late. That is why people are leaving canned comments in the first place.
Sending additional explanation and links at first downvote or closevote would remove the need for leaving "helpful" comment that can be perceived as not nice or like personal attack (since it is person to person communication) and it would send stronger and more authorative message to the OP.
Why don't we give users below 250 rep notion about close votes?
Another issue is that poor question may never get closed and without any feedback (besides downvotes) OP will be left clueless and will perceive SO as even more hostile place. So even low effort comment is way better than nothing if the OP is willing to listen. If not, then no amount of niceness would help.
Another observation from experience. No matter how poor initial question is, you can never anticipate from the question whether OP is the one worth fighting for, or is just another help vampire. Sometimes leaving comment on half decent question will result in "Go mind your own business..." response. It is a gamble, really.