A few days ago I came across a question from Dec 2017, asking:
I am getting this error "Unknown host 'dl.google.com' You may need to adjust the proxy settings in Gradle" in android studio 3.0. I have checked my auto proxy option already.
There were already several answers; one of the existing (and upvoted) ones had already suggested:
Your system needs to be online at the time you are building the project first time for the dependencies you have added.
There was also a response already deleted by a moderator after review, advising:
check you internet connection...
Given the above, a new answer pops up in April 2019 - the very first answer by a user who had been a member for more than 3 years:
I know that this is most likely not the problem for you, but I wasn't connected to the internet and I got this error thrown.
I did what I thought right: downvoted, flagged as NAA, and voted for deletion.
As it turns out, rather unsurprisingly, the post was already in the review queue, with 3 out of 4 reviewers (not including myself) recommending deletion.
My flag was declined; I have met similar situations in the past, so I went a step further, opening a flag for moderator attention:
A post that starts as "I know that this is most likely not the problem for you" is arguably not an answer and should be a comment.
This second flag was also
declined - Just because it might not be the problem that caused the error for the original OP doesn't mean this can't be the answer for future readers.
and I returned to the post, to find that, not only the answer was still there despite the review & deletion vote(s), but it had been edited by a moderator to look like:
In my case, the source of the error was that I wasn't connected to the internet.
I voted for deletion again (had already downvoted), and left a comment:
Welcome to SO; please notice that one of the answers above has already pointed out that "Your system needs to be online at the time you are building the project first time"
Not wanting to miss the forest for the trees, let me say straight what my real issue is here: I felt (and still feel) deeply insulted by the moderator's decision and actions, given the whole context as exposed above (let me stress that feeling insulted, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder: it can certainly happen even if the other party had never the slightest intention of making you feel so, as is obviously the case here).
My personal feelings are of course of zero concern for the SO community; however, there is (I hope...) something of interest here, and I feel it is my duty as a "trusted user" to bring it forward, even if it is the very last thing I will ever do on the SO moderating front:
In order for users to perform civic duties like reviewing & flagging, they have at the very least to feel that their work is a) useful b) appreciated by the community (and I don't mean of course the moderation badges!)
Sequences of actions like the one described above can very easily leave users (especially users of some reputation) to feel not only unappreciated, but like useless idiots
Wait... what just happened? Am I even implicitly called a value destroyer here? Because I insisted on removing this? OK, maybe I should just quit doing this, clearly we have vastly different opinions with these people on the definition of "value"...
I certainly hope I am not saying anything strange here...
Let me answer in advance a possible counter-argument, which many well-intended people may be ready to (and perhaps will) sincerely offer: "don't take this too seriously".
I respectfully disagree: the line between "too seriously" and "(simply) seriously" is arguably a very fuzzy, blurry, and not well-defined one; and, once one finds oneself in the area of "don't take it seriously", the exit sign ("just don't bother and stop engaging with this nonsense") is only 1-2 steps away. In other words, if I can't/shouldn't take it seriously enough, why should I bother at all? Just let the place burn...!
Of course, it may be just me overreacting. Such things unavoidably happen, occasionally; at the end of the day, it was just a single action, from a single moderator...
Only it was not.
A couple of days before, the same moderator had intervened in another thread; and although that situation was superficially different, it arguably leads to concerns like the ones I have tried to express above.
It was a question downvoted and later closed as off-topic, where someone offered an answer in the comments: "make sure you remove it in every file".
OP later posted this as an answer:
Thank you, Roland it was needed to do this in all includes.
The answer, again unsurprisingly, ended up in the review queue, where 2 reviewers had recommended deletion as a thank-you answer, and the auto-generated poem "Please don't add thank-you as an answer" was added as a comment.
The moderator intervened, arguing that this is not the case here, that there is value in the answer, ending by urging the 1st reviewer: Please review more carefully (or closely , can't remember exactly, and the comments are now deleted).
Reviewers (and some passer-bys?) shot back, insisting that the answer should indeed be deleted, some claiming that even the question itself was closed for the wrong reason, as it was actually a typo, but the moderator insisted, and urged the protesters to bring the discussion to Meta, if they like, so that they can explain...
I left a comment myself, roughly saying (citing from memory):
Is this the low point we have reached? Inviting people to Meta, in order to debate when & why a thank-you self-answer in a closed off-topic question like this can indeed have value? And urging reviewers to be more careful?
Which comment probably triggered a further action, although the thread had been dormant for 2-3 days: moderator deletes the comments and edits again the answer to "improve" it (sorry, can't resist the quotes) to:
As Roland mentions it in a comment:
make sure you remove it in every file
it was needed to do this in all includes.
The argument "bring it to Meta" had already been raised during my own exchange with the said moderator in the comments of the first thread mentioned above (along with the always convenient and rather frequently popping up "Mea culpa", which, without corrective actions, sounds rather empty); and I had consciously rejected it with a specific reasoning:
regarding the Meta: thanks, but no thanks: if 2 people like you & me (coders, not lawyers) cannot agree on the essence of the issue (i.e. that this particular answer is a low-quality one, adding absolutely nothing to the site), and we need to go to the Meta to resolve it (thus wasting the time of others, too, apart from ours), then I personally think something is very wrong. Appreciate your responses here and your time, but as I said I'm done. All the best in your moderating tasks (and a bit of advice, if you allow me: try seriously not to alienate your working horses).
I don't frequent Meta, so it was a kind of a sad pleasure to see yesterday this comment in another Meta thread:
There's the crap-hugging meta-lawyers who don't care about the actual content, only what the rules say. And then there's those who only care about the quality of the technical content.
which, coming from a user of 113K rep (Lundin), I guess it carries some serious experience attached.
This chimed almost perfectly with a response from the discussion between me and the moderator in the first thread mentioned above:
Still, even taking the repetition into account, Meta had arguments about the same solution being represented differently being valid before, making me hesitant to throw a mod-delete-vote at the thing.
Still...? And Meta had arguments...??? What exactly are we talking about here?
BTW, here is how firm and clear the moderator was in their answers to the pre-election questionnaire:
To be very clear, the first thing which I care about on the site, is quality.
The emphasis is mine. Noted just for the history...
Wrapping up, let me clarify what this question is not about:
- It is of course crystal clear that no one involved in what I have described above had even the slightest intention to actually insult or offend anyone - period.
- The question is certainly not about the unambiguous right of moderators to decline flags and step in to rectify things in whatever manner they see fit
- It is not about Meta scholarship (although of course I do expect some impressive Meta-fu to be demonstrated)
- It is not about me seeking personal advice about how such situations ought or ought not to make me feel
TL;DR;
Having clarified that, here is the question to the community moderators (which I would really like to have posed in the election questionnaire):
- Is there any real concern on your table for not alienating users who dutifully & consistently spend their valuable time in order to help keeping the place in order, which concern may be (just may be) required to kick-in in situations like the specific examples described above?
- Or we are effectively treated as an army of moderating junkies, a safe bet that, however strongly we may occasionally protest, we are surely expected to come back, asking for more?
Because, you know, we are not, and we won't...
- Or you simply don't care? And if this sounds blunt, let's rephrase it: maybe the issue is just really low in your long priorities list?
[UPDATE: both posts below are now deleted, each one by a different community moderator]
The 1st post mentioned above, along with my discussion with Baum in the comments, is here (please, do not delete it now!):
Error:Unknown host 'dl.google.com' You may need to adjust the proxy settings in Gradle
The 2nd post is here:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/55744793/cant-get-rid-of-bom-char-65279/55746596#55746596
On a side level, I am of course curious to hear Baum's arguments for the moderating decisions described above, and how they conform with the pre-election prominently advertised focus on quality.
As I have already said: I have written this because I feel it is my obligation as a community member to ring a bell here (instead of just walking away), just in case (however improbable) you are not explicitly aware of such an issue and you do care about it; personally, I cannot risk any argument, in the near or far future, that "yes, it was an issue for sure, but you didn't speak up when you should".
In case I am mistaken in the above, please accept my sincerest apologies for any inconvenience - I can very certainly promise that it will never ever happen again...
P.S: Yes, I did go through Yvette's excellent idea of a thread What does our long term community need? What does our long term community need to feel valued? . And I am deeply puzzled why she was left to ask these things on her own, as a "simple user", not endorsed by the moderating team...