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This answer does a fair enough job explaining why you can't vote-to-close on a question once you've retracted a close vote. But I'm curious, why can't I change my close-vote reason without retracting my close vote?

For example, this question started as a question that was too broad. There wasn't enough detail in the question to do anything more than guess at the appropriate answer. I downvoted, voted-to-close, and then left a comment explaining why the question needs improvement.

It was then edited in response to my comment to include more detail making it more clear what was being asked about, but it was my feeling that the question still needed to be close, but now for a different reason: it's now a duplicate.

As of this writing, it's 1 close vote away from being closed. It'll likely be closed, but the question already have 3 close votes before it was clear that the question was a duplicate, so when the question is closed, the official close reason is unlikely to be because it's a duplicate.

Why is my only option to retract my close vote? Why do I not have an option to change my close vote reason now that the question has been edited from one closable problem to another?

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    Sometimes I close a question by mistake and than I've to do nothing but retract my vote, it would be nice if they provided to change the close vote reason, atlease once should be allowed
    – Mr. Alien
    Commented Jul 5, 2014 at 6:16
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    maybe be a bit less trigger happy on the close vote to begin with.
    – tacaswell
    Commented Jul 5, 2014 at 15:41
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    @tcaswell That's not particularly helpful. You're basically arguing that I shouldn't ever vote to close because it's possible that the question will later be edited into something that invalidates my close vote (but leaves the question in a state that should still be closed). Even after the edit from "unclear" to "duplicate", it's possible the user could edit again out of "duplicate" but into "too broad" or some other category.
    – nhgrif
    Commented Jul 5, 2014 at 17:51
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    Related: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/262761/…
    – nhgrif
    Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 14:27
  • possible duplicate of Why can't we vote to close a question after the original vote was retracted?
    – GolezTrol
    Commented Sep 14, 2014 at 7:33
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    @GolezTrol Not a duplicate at all. In fact, I point to that and directly explain how and why this question is different.
    – nhgrif
    Commented Sep 14, 2014 at 14:56
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    Just hit this myself - question as phrased was a duplicate (so I voted as such), but later on more information came to light where it was clearly off topic due to typographical error. Ended up just retracting my vote. Commented Mar 2, 2015 at 12:15
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    This happens quite often, a pity nothing was done about it. Should be worth bumping. Commented Jan 22, 2016 at 21:31
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    It would be really nice to stop bikeshedding over this and just get it done. It shouldn't be a lot of work, and it's not an edge case. Just today I closed a JavaScript question as a typo (the OP used obj.field instead of obj[field]), then realized that actually it should be closed as a dup of the canonical question about property access. I couldn't change my close reason, so I was reduced to leaving a comment pointing to the dup, which left the question open to more stupid answers before someone else came along to hammer it.
    – user663031
    Commented Sep 19, 2016 at 19:56
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    @torazaburo agreed. Not to mention that when you have the gold badge converting to duplicate closes the question. Retracting close vote/not being able to convert close vote reason condemns you to watch the stupid/generic answers pouring down. That sometimes refrains me from voting python questions as "too broad" or "unclear" until I can find a canonical dupe. Commented May 3, 2017 at 21:04
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    Still a problem 3 years later. Yesterday I voted to close a question as "unclear what you are asking". Today OP clarified adequately, but in a way that makes it much too broad. I'll probably just retract the close-vote as the lesser of 2 evils. Commented Jun 20, 2017 at 15:51
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    Still a problem 5 years later, and neither an actual answer nor a real workaround has been offered. :( Commented Nov 2, 2019 at 5:30
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    Still a problem 6 years later. Commented Mar 23, 2021 at 23:58
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    Still a problem 8 years later, and has not been answered or solved. Today I voted to close a question for lack of clarity, later to find it has been previously asked by the same person, so it's actually a duplicate, and I had to put that in a comment. Commented Apr 21, 2022 at 12:19
  • Yep, still a problem 8 years later. You vote to close a question as "unclear, needs details". They provide the details and now it's a clear duplicate. Can't do anything about that. with the system as it is, it removes reasons for voting to close "needs details" because sometimes when the details are provided, it needs to be closed for a different reason and you can't do anything about that.
    – jfriend00
    Commented Jul 1, 2022 at 17:38

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Especially for gold tag badge owners, it's really a pity that it's not implemented, mostly because sometimes you close as "too broad" when you could have dupehammered.

So there's a perverse effect for those gold tag badge owners. Me, I tend to wait until it's clear that it's a duplicate, and not vote to close in the meanwhile (which would have been the thing to do).

However, on the bright side:

  • if you close-voted as a duplicate and it's not the right one, as a gold tag badge owner, you can change the duplicate: What should I do as a gold badge holder if I feel the duplicate target isn't the right one?
  • the above applies if you can find an existing Q&A that answers the particular question (in case of a well-known typo/beginner mistake). I suggest you collect those links and use them. It's not abuse to close a question as a duplicate ... that is also off-topic because of a typo ;) (several examples in a previous answer of mine)
  • if you feel that the question isn't getting enough close votes quickly enough, and low quality answers are pouring in in the meantime, why not summon SOCVR? Helpful users will nail the coffin for you, which can go as far as downvoting+deleting the Q&A altogether. There are even nice integrated scripts running with Tampermonkey to help you do that with a few clicks.
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    I'm here because I voted to close a question because it wasn't clear what the author of the question was asking for, once clarified I wanted to change my vote to it being a duplicate, but cannot.
    – Mick
    Commented Feb 27, 2020 at 2:19
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    What about the case where a question initially "needs details or clarity", and then the details or clarity make it evident that i) the question is a duplicate, or ii) OP had a typo? Commented May 18, 2020 at 15:45
  • "needs details" when it's a typo isn't really a big deal. And in the case it's a duplicate, I'm answering already " tend to wait until it's clear that it's a duplicate, and not voting to close in the meanwhile (which would have been the thing to do).". Well of course now I can change close vote reason whenever I choose... Commented May 18, 2020 at 15:48
  • It's even worse than I thought for gold-badge owners. If I mark something that should be closed for a non-duplicate reason (for example as a typo), and then another gold-badge user comes along and makes a bad selection of dupe-hammer and I undo that, my close vote is lost and I can't redo it. Commented Mar 23, 2021 at 23:59
  • @KarlKnechtel true but you can edit the duplicate target to find a typo Q&A that has already been answered to try to improve the target... then also use roomba forceaster and vote to delete if you can to clean up the site. Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 6:33
  • What on Earth is "roomba forceaster"? And hold on, there are "typo Q&A"s? Despite problems caused by typos being off-topic? Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 10:00
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    roomba forecaster is a tampermonkey script that tells you (and can remind you) when you can vote to delete. About typo Q&A, there are well known Q&A (also highly upvoted in the 20th century...) that answer to classical typos. I suggest you collect those links and use them. It's not abuse to close a question by a duplicate ... that is also off topic because of a typo ;) Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 13:04
  • @KarlKnechtel there are lots of typo Q&As despite them being off-topic exactly for the reason that users who see the question can't re-cast or change close-votes after the question is edited.
    – Joooeey
    Commented Apr 22, 2023 at 6:34
  • @KarlKnechtel AFAIK, common typos are on-topic, though (e.g. forgetting an underscore in a Python name). The relevant test is whether someone else is likely to encounter the same problem.
    – Joooeey
    Commented Apr 22, 2023 at 6:48
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    @Joooeey right; I've evolved quite at bit as a curator since then. Commented Apr 22, 2023 at 10:35
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The given close reason now is wrong. If we would be going according to the book it would have to be reopened and then closed (according to the linked Answer to another question) by other people because everyone only has one close reason per question.

However questions rarely get reopened from my experience when they are improved after being on hold. So if this question should be closed then not doing anything will result practically in the desired state, however with the wrong reason.

A comment is been given indicating the possible duplicate and sending the questioner to a working solution, which is really good.

A moderator could maybe still change the close reason to make it more clear why this question needs to be closed.

If you could change your closing reason it could indeed be seen as casting two votes (first vote for reason A, then question gets reopened, then you change your vote to reason B and thereby take part in closing it again). Not sure about the open/close wars as mentioned in the linked answer (I only see close wars currently) so it might be nice to have this feature (change close reason as long as question is not fully closed yet) but it also might be possible to just tell moderators about it so they can fix these cases.

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    "If you could change your closing reason it would be indeed like casting two votes" - why would it? It's about changing the reason, not adding another one.
    – BartoszKP
    Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 22:23
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    "Questions rarely get reopened from my experience when they are improved after being on hold." This is inaccurate, those who spend time in the reopen queue know that questions remain closed because they remain flawed. The rate of successful reopen attempts is indeed low, but reopening does happen when justified.
    – Brad Koch
    Commented Jul 6, 2014 at 22:41
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    @BartoszKP You vote for one reason, the question is edited, you vote a second time for another reason or you change your first reason - there is no difference between changing the reason of the first vote or voting a second time. At least you could see it this way. Changed the answer. Commented Jul 7, 2014 at 6:58
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    @BradKoch I cannot yet spent my time in the reopen queue but my own experience where I tried to improve questions that were on hold but never ever got reopened seems to indicate that it is not true that questions remain closed because they remain flawed. So I beg to differ. Commented Jul 7, 2014 at 7:00
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    @Trilarion I still don't get it. In what ways there is no difference? If there were 3 close votes, including yours, then the question is edited and you change your close vote reason there would be still 3 close votes. If you're referring to the comments that are automatically added with a CV, there are many obvious possible ways to handle this also.
    – BartoszKP
    Commented Jul 7, 2014 at 10:28
  • @BartoszKP I don't mean two votes in the sense that the weight is doubled but two votes in the sense that you can take part two times in a closing. As it is the question was closed for the wrong reason. It should be reopened and closed for the right reason. As Robert Harvey in the linked answer points out the second closure should be accomplished by different people. If you could change your vote reason you would take part in the second closure round (as I see it) and therefore violate the stated principle that everyone should only vote once per question. See updated answer for a compromise. Commented Jul 7, 2014 at 11:00
  • @BaroszKP As you can see I'm not really against changing the close vote reason. I wonder myself what these open/close wars might be. Commented Jul 7, 2014 at 11:08
  • @Trilarion Thanks for explaining, now I get it.
    – BartoszKP
    Commented Jul 7, 2014 at 11:09
  • Robert Harvey's got an answer in the related question as well: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/262761/…
    – nhgrif
    Commented Jul 7, 2014 at 11:19
  • @nhgrif Thanks for linking. Although I don't agree with him. Will comment there. If the close reason doesn't really matter, we don't need to bother with it all all. Commented Jul 7, 2014 at 11:24
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Because the simplest implementation for this would be to allow you to retract and then re-apply your close vote.

And allowing that would allow you to circumvent the close vote aging mechanism, the close review system, and probably other things that assume one vote per person per post.

The other way to implement this would be a new tool that lets you "edit your vote" in place without actually creating a new vote. That's probably feasible, but a lot of work for an edge-case.

Given the common need for this involves duplicates, it probably makes more sense to design a system that allows adding / editing duplicate links without the overhead of the rest of the close system. Such functionality could also be useful in cases where the question was already closed, where a better duplicate was identified later on, etc. March 3rd, 2017: this duplicate list edit feature is now implemented.

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    "Editing" your vote is a lot closer to what I'm talking about. And I'm only talking about cases in which the post has been edited since your close vote casting. If the user saw 3 close votes and read comments explaining the close votes, so he deleted his post and posted a new question which resolved that close problem but created another, I'd be able to "re-vote" on the new one for a new reason, right? How is this drastically different from the user completely rewriting the existing question and me changing my close vote reason?
    – nhgrif
    Commented Jul 8, 2014 at 11:21
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    It's not an edge case, IMO. Commented Sep 28, 2014 at 22:37
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    I agree with @RobertCrovella that this isn't an edge case. I find myself w̶a̶n̶t̶i̶n̶g̶ needing to do it multiple times per day.
    – eggyal
    Commented Mar 26, 2015 at 10:32
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    What about allowing the voter to change their close reason only after the OP has edited the question? This would cover the most common cause of complaint, where the OP edits their vague question into a duplicate.
    – ali_m
    Commented Apr 23, 2015 at 23:01
  • Seems like a way to prevent the user from circumventing the close vote aging mechanism would be to lock a close vote reason unless the question is edited, similar to how standard voting is handled. Commented Dec 7, 2015 at 15:59
  • I can see how people would see this as not being an edge case: if I vote to close a question as Unclear, which is then edited to be Too Broad, then the existing close reason would be invalidated, and the question would either be reopened (and still too broad), or left closed with an overly confusing reason. It does happen, and (in my experience) more often than not the question is just left closed with an overly confusing reason. This doesn't matter usually because the roomba script will remove the question automatically eventually, but sometimes the question doesn't meet the criteria.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jan 8, 2016 at 0:49
  • So the real problem as you mention in your answer to another similar question, is the deletion of the content. I think that a solution making it easier to delete bad content would be an acceptable solution. Maybe not a better solution in a perfect world, but an acceptable solution for the world we live in.
    – user4639281
    Commented Jan 8, 2016 at 0:53
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    Is circumventing the vote aging really a problem? At worst, you could keep a perpetual 1 close vote against a question, assuming you remember to come back every 100 days and re-apply it. Seems like a lot of effort for effectively no result.
    – Rob Mod
    Commented Jan 8, 2016 at 1:22
  • @Rob ~14 days, not 100
    – user4639281
    Commented Jan 8, 2016 at 2:06
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    That's not really the problem, @Rob; the problem is that aging doesn't start until at least 4 days after the last close vote. So if you're constantly bouncing your vote, it never starts.
    – Shog9
    Commented Jan 8, 2016 at 2:45
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    So, @Tiny... As you know, maybe 15% of Unclear questions get edited. And I rather doubt that you diligently revisit EVERY question you vote to close until they're deleted. Not that it matters, since what you seem to be asking for now is the ability to change the binding close reason after the question is closed, which is an entirely different set of headaches from the one originally proposed here, and which I did address elsewhere already. In summary, earn 10K already.
    – Shog9
    Commented Jan 8, 2016 at 2:50
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    Define "a lot of work".
    – user663031
    Commented Sep 20, 2016 at 12:15
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    Actually, that edit regarding "this is now implemented" didn't really implement what was mentioned in the answer. It allows gold tag badge holders to edit the list of duplicates when it's already been closed, whereas the answer details editing your own close vote, with no reference to tag badges. Commented Mar 3, 2017 at 17:56
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    The "circumventing the vote aging" problem is only a flimsy excuse. The edited close vote could be set as old (w.r.t. the aging) as the original one. This is possible with retracted and recast votes, too.
    – maaartinus
    Commented May 1, 2017 at 0:38
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    I think it would be much simpler to just let a user change their vote type while keeping the datetime for when it was cast the same. If anything, gaming the vote aging system is what seems like the edge case; it's a theoretical issue preventing a solution to a demonstrated, regularly-encountered problem... that's no bueno. Add a db column with a binary value to enforce only changing your vote one time to preempt potential abuse.
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 24, 2021 at 16:29

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