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It seems that, through a long history of neglect, the tag has acquired not two, but three different meanings:

The tag wiki suggests that the first meaning is correct. (Indeed, I believe the tag wiki was written before either of the other projects existed!) However, the contents of the tag disagree; most of the recent questions are about the PHP library, with a substantial minority being about the Graphite component.

How should this be handled?

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I say this as a PHP developer myself - PHP devs are not the best at reading. But, I'll save my rants for another place.

It would appear that many askers are ignoring, or unable to read, the tag descriptions. This is despite the fact that [php-carbon] is the third option to show up when I start typing 'carbon' in the Tags field:

'carbon' tagging options

If we look at the creation dates in the wiki history:

[carbon]

Carbon is Apple's previous application-development framework for Mac OS X, which existed primarily for applications that needed to remain compatible with the Classic Mac OS. Much of it is now deprecated and unavailable to 64-bit applications as of Mac OS X 10.6.

created Aug 5 '10 at 9:31

[php-carbon]

Carbon is a library written in PHP that extends the native DateTime class.

created Feb 6 '14 at 15:54

It would appear that indeed, the [carbon] tag (for OSX's framework) pre-dates the tag for the PHP library by nearly 4 years!

Furthermore, it would appear that [graphite] in terms of both its tag creation date and the creation of its repo on Github, is also older than [php-carbon].

So, it looks like PHP's Carbon library is the new kid on the block.

There are a few solutions:

Solution 1

Status quo. Create a new tag for the Graphite questions (either [graphite-carbon] or [carbon-graphite]), and clean up the miscategorized [carbon] questions. Note that this will require regular maintenance to edit mistagged questions.

It's possible that renaming [php-carbon] to [carbon-php] will make it more obvious to the question-askers, when they're typing up their ill-conceived questions at 4am and looking through blurry eyeballs at the suggestions popup.

Solution 2

Go with the flow. Us PHP developers are convinced that the world revolves around us. Hand over [carbon] to the PHP library, OSX can move its questions to [osx-carbon] or [apple-carbon], and Python people can go with [graphite-carbon]. After all, the Apple library is largely deprecated, and only 32 questions have both the [carbon] and [graphite] tags.

Solution 3

Burninate! Also, known as "this is why we can't have nice things." We can decide that carbon is simply too ambiguous for any question, and instead have [php-carbon], [osx-carbon], and [graphite-carbon] (or something along those lines).

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    FWIW: I didn't just mean that carbon is older than php-carbon; I meant that carbon is older than the Carbon PHP library itself! (And surely Solution 3 should be "Carbonize"? :D)
    – user149341
    Commented May 30, 2017 at 22:56
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    Or, we could freeze it...in carbonite!
    – alexw
    Commented May 30, 2017 at 23:36
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    definitely option 3. As long as the ambiguous tag is around users of the other two libraries will tag it by mistake. Maybe blacklist it too, to keep it from coming back. Commented May 31, 2017 at 17:27
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    FWIW, if we established a new tag for the Apple library, a more appropriate name would be apple-carbon -- the library was available for both Mac OS X and for Classic Mac OS (Mac OS 8.6 and 9). Or perhaps carbonlib, which is what the library file was called.
    – user149341
    Commented May 31, 2017 at 22:03
  • In the last week or so, I've cleaned up the tag esql which had three separate meanings: embedded-sql, entity-sql and extended-sql. When I last looked, there were two questions with the original esql because I couldn't work out whether they're really entity-sql or extended-sql — and leaving them so tagged means that the esql wiki survives and points the way to the correct tags. This is entirely analogous to the carbon problem. Solution 3 is good, but perhaps keep carbon around to disambiguate the three contexts. Commented Jun 1, 2017 at 8:54
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    Or Solution 4: Annoy them into submission! Answer each question tagged this way as if it were an Apple Carbon question, and write an answer explaining how to do whatever they're asking for using WaitNextEvent() or TESetStyleHandle() or FSGetCatalogInfoBulk() until they get the hint and knock it off. ;-) Commented Mar 5, 2018 at 0:08
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    Went with solution 3... all have their own tags
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Aug 9, 2018 at 1:50
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So I've cleaned this up now (I didn't go through it with a fine tooth comb, I just checked for common tags).

I also edited the excerpt to make it abundantly clear it's for OSX, but I don't hold out much hope for that. People don't read. I actually found several questions tagged both and the correct tag.

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