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This is a discussion, not an invitation to unilaterally burninate the tag. Anyone that suggests ignoring or bypassing the official process risks moderator action, so let's avoid doing that.


I propose burninating the tag (and the synonym, ). I feel this tag is extremely vague and is being used to tag any question connected to a "project". Tags should, mostly, describe what questions are about, not random other things they contain or are connected to, and I think this tag does the latter.

Wiki excerpt:

In software development, a project is a collection of files and resources used in the development of an application or service. Use [ms-project] for Microsoft Project questions.

  1. Does it describe the contents of the questions to which it is applied? and is it unambiguous?

    This tag is ambiguous. It presumably means that whatever the question is about is part of some type of project, but that doesn't describe the actual question at all. It seems this tag describes what a question contains but not what it is about.

  2. Is the concept described even on-topic for the site?

    Possibly, but this isn't a good tag for it. Managing a project via, say, would be on-topic. But general questions about unspecified/arbitrary projects aren't.

  3. Does the tag add any meaningful information to the post?

    No.

  4. Does it mean the same thing in all common contexts?

    Nope. The OP is typically asking about something related to a project they're working on, but that's hardly "the same thing".

  5. Is the tag causing a fairly large amount of harm?

    Possibly? It might encourage unclear questions, but I don't have any evidence that that is true.

A handful of questions referring to Microsoft Project may need to be tagged as , though.

So, should the tag be burninated?

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  • "A handful of questions referring to Microsoft Project may need to be tagged as ms-project, though." I think this is taken care of now. I only found half a dozen or so that were about MS Project.
    – TylerH
    Commented Oct 9, 2023 at 17:40
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    Is it possible for moderators to just completely nuke a tag, removing it from all questions without any replacement? I don't see any possible use of this tag where replacing it with something else would actually be worth anything. Just removing it should take care of almost all questions (except maybe those that only have one tag). That would make the burniation a lot quicker and not waste resources.
    – MegaIng
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 2:13
  • @MegaIng Nope, mods can't do that. It's been done by staff before, but it's very rarely done, because it's rare that a tag is both popular and conveys no useful information (which I would argue that this one does). Another solution that's sometimes done is to blocklist the tag before it's removed, but that's also usually avoided due to it making editing existing questions with the tag more difficult (you have to remove it).
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 3:04
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    The phrasing of this question seems to miss that several IDEs have a specific concept called a "project", and that the tag appears to be about that concept.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 3:08
  • @RyanM Yes, or workspace. It is usually one or both since I know at least one IDE that lets you group projects inside a workspace.
    – Gimby
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 11:47

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I would say yes.

There are so many different types of 'project' that calling your question about a 'project' does not narrow things down at all. For example, questions about Xcode projects could just be tagged , or Git projects can be tagged , etc.

You could call just about any program a 'project' especially, as the tag guidance states, if it consists of multiple files and resources. I would say this tag is comparable to a tag. You cannot meaningfully be a subject-matter expert in .

This tag should be replaced with the different types of 'projects' supported by different platforms, such as , , etc.

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    Also, there's the (tiny) chance that someone reads it in the context of vector math (e.g. "projection matrix"), like here. Commented Oct 9, 2023 at 18:30
  • Using the [ms-project] tag to refer to a project using some Microsoft technology would be incorrect, as it refers to the Microsoft Project project-management tool.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 2:40
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    I disagree with this answer to the extent that it advocates removing the tag (where it is used correctly to mean what the tag wiki describes) and not replacing it with anything, as it does convey useful information about the question.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 2:50
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    Project has a specific meaning in the context of programming, namely a gathering of source code in an IDE, for the purpose of generating an executable. It does not mean anything else or you are misusing the term. (A Git project for example ought to correspond to an IDE project, but not necessarily, since some out there still use make files.) Projects have been around since Turbo C in 1989 and perhaps further back still. There's no criteria that someone needs to be a subject expert of every tag, or bit, byte etc would need to go too.
    – Lundin
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 14:36
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This is partly an answer and partly a follow-up question.

The answer is:

  • We should rename this to something that clearly indicates that it refers to the concept of a project in an IDE or other editor. That is an on-topic subject about which users may have expertise, at least within a specific IDE. It's also something about which there are a non-trivial number of questions (as an example, see [project] [visual-studio]).
    • After doing so, we should clean up the tag, but right now mistagged questions are pouring in fast enough that we probably need to stem the bleeding to make this feasible.

The follow-up question:

  • What should such a tag be named? Ideally it should not be confusable, to someone who has only read the tag name and ignored the excerpt, with either Microsoft Project or the general concept of a project that you are working on.
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  • In regards to a tag for a project in an IDE I'd like to think on whether we should really go that granular. Is a project in an IDE that specialized of a topic that we'd need a dedicated tag for the concept? Would the IDE's / editor's tag not be enough? Also for the specific example see: visual-studio-project Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 3:03
  • @AbdulAzizBarkat Maybe not. Do you think that tag should also be a synonym for [visual-studio]?
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 3:07
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    Never really used Visual Studio so don't know if projects in it are that specialized of a concept. But in the general case I don't see the need. Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 3:09
  • I am unsure if there are many IDEs where the distinction between "using the IDE with a project" vs "using the IDE without a project" is common and meaningful in such a way that there is any value in adding the info that "this is within a project" is helpful compared to just "this is within the IDE"
    – MegaIng
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 3:09
  • @MegaIng Tags should be used when a question is about something, so it should only be used for questions about usage of the projects feature, such as project creation, project configuration, the specifics of interactions between code across a project boundary, etc.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 3:12
  • Good point. Have you seen this tag, though? It seems to be roughly what you're describing stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/projects-and-solutions
    – cocomac
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 3:13
  • @cocomac I had not, and it does, and that's a pretty good name...maybe just a synonym and/or merge to that is the solution? (pun not intended)
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 3:14
  • There's also web-project, which may also warrant discussion here stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/web-project I don't have something in mind for it, but IMO it's quite closely connected here
    – cocomac
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 3:16
  • @cocomac Based on the older questions, that's probably supposed to be the same thing as [vs-web-site-project] (which I just renamed from [web-site-project] because of this exact problem).
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 3:23
  • @RyanM I know, but my point is that I am unclear in what situation it isn't enough to know that something is an IDE. From my understanding, close to 100% of things in an IDE are project related, be that import management, name resolution, source file mangement. What features in an IDE can you ask on-topic questions about that aren't project related?
    – MegaIng
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 4:06
  • @MegaIng Syntax highlighting under Tools used by programmers, developing IDE plugins would be another (assuming enough details)
    – cocomac
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 4:09
  • @MegaIng "What features in an IDE can you ask on-topic questions about that aren't project related?" Deployment to devices, debugging, most questions about import management or name resolution (in that they typically have nothing to do with projects even though they may occur within one; also are most name resolution questions actually IDE questions?), IDE configuration, updates, profiling... I could go on.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 4:26
  • @cocomac Unsure what on-topic questions there would be about syntax highlighting, except IDE debugging, which hopefully would be rare. Plugin development is a fair point.
    – MegaIng
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 8:11
  • @RyanM I would categorize all of those as belong to a project, and not making sense outside of the context of one. An IDE can't deploy something that doesn't belong to a project in some way. But maybe the terminology is so ambiguous that we have different definitions.
    – MegaIng
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 8:14
  • That several IDEs have "a concept called project" does little to defend this tag. On its own does nothing to define a scope of expertise. Experts on "Foo IDE" need only the "foo-ide" tag to find questions where they have expertise on. "Project" describes nothing, as a "project" on "Foo IDE" belongs to a different scope of expertise than a "project" on "Bar IDE", etc.
    – yivi
    Commented Oct 10, 2023 at 8:41

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