Today I came across a localized Stack Overflow site, ja.stackoverflow.com, through a user's profile. It is the Japanese version of this site. Are there other languages of the site? Where can I find them?
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They are listed in the full list of all sites in the network.
Currently we have Stack Overflow sites in:
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14No, they are not. They are fully localized, separate websites. Commented May 3, 2016 at 14:13
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7Really hope to see SO in Chinese one day. The sooner, the better :).– Yu HaoCommented May 4, 2016 at 7:52
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4@YuHao, I disagree with you. Let's say a Chinese SO exists and I (non-Chinese speaker) have a question. If it is not already asked/answered on English SO but only on the Chinese (independent) variant, I will not be able to find the question/answer. Commented May 4, 2016 at 8:06
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30@NanderSpeerstra - however unlikely that may be, it doesn't take away anything from the English version. There is a logical fallacy in believing that if an answer exists on (a possible future) Chinese SO and not on the English one, if the Chinese one didn't exist the answer would somehow exist on the English one. Commented May 4, 2016 at 8:14
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2@Oded, that is true. I'm very interested in what happens when the localized versions of large languages (Spanish, (possible) Chinese) are more actively used: would it mean that English SO would be used less? Will they become more active or will a 'one-language-SO' appear to be more useful? Interesting questions. (I'm a linguist, programmer and data scientist. This is a very interesting research area.) Commented May 4, 2016 at 8:26
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18@NanderSpeerstra - we have anecdotal info from the Portuguese SO - people who are active on both sites cross-pollinate them. Both communities benefit. The point of the "language" sites is to enable users who are either uncomfortable or unfamiliar with English. They don't contribute to the English site anyway, so giving them a venue is only a net positive. Commented May 4, 2016 at 8:28
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1@Oded, I see: I didn't think of the language-specific SOs as being complementary to the English one. Good to hear these SOs are of benefit. Commented May 4, 2016 at 8:38
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5@KevinGuan The question you linked was posted over 3.5 years ago. Now there are already 4 fully localized SO site. I don't think that answer reflects today's policy.– Yu HaoCommented May 5, 2016 at 6:01
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2@MrLister: To be fair, Microsoft Bob works better than site-specific search Commented May 5, 2016 at 12:23
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2@Oded "...it doesn't take away anything from the English version." In the short-term, no. But in the long term run, we all would benefit by being able to use the same community and the same language. English is the de-facto global standard today, and offering localized communities will quite obviously reduce the need for non-native English speakers like myself to invest in access in and contribution to the greater community. Fight segregation by reducing segregation, not by making segregation more convenient.– AlexCommented May 5, 2016 at 14:14
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4@Alex - I disagree. There are a lot of people who simply cannot participate and use the same language as you do. "English is the de-facto global standard today" - tell that to publishers who publish programming books that are not in English - why would they do that? This is about enabling these people - giving them a place to participate in instead of simply not participating. Commented May 5, 2016 at 14:26
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5@Oded I'm not saying that there isn't people who are not fluent enough in English and that there isn't a market for it. But I want a healthy global community where everyone is able to communicate with each other and where we together can reap the effects described by Metcalfe's law. In order to achieve that, we must reduce segregation by enabling people and making them join the global community. Groups that can not communicate with each other are well isolated from each other. English is an obvious part of programming, even in non-English countries like my own.– AlexCommented May 5, 2016 at 14:47
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2@Alex - I am not a native speaker and my English had been so bad. I could understand but hadn't been able to build fluent sentences. I'm still far away from being perfect, however, SO is the reason I've learned to speak English much better compared to former. Here are people with really little knowledge in English, but they have the guts to write. I've helped to improve some questions to become more understandable. Editing is a nice feature. The community will help. I'm afraid I could become too lazy to practice English any longer when a German site of SO started. Commented May 6, 2016 at 12:08
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3I think both you and Quasimodo are missing the point - our sites are for helping developers with their day-to-day programming, not to help them with English. Commented May 6, 2016 at 12:34
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3@Oded Just to be clear, I have no special interest in the English language per se, it just so happen to be the language of most accessible and mature community today. If the Chinese don't give a crap about us and prove to supersede this community, sign me up for mandarin lessons. I the end of the day, this domain is communication. You want to spread knowledge and empower developers. Being able to connect and communicate with others is pivotal, and making segregation more convenient is not a good long-term strategy.– AlexCommented May 6, 2016 at 12:51