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Note: I am aware of the previous questions about this, but I'm not suggesting that all homework-related questions should be closed willy-nilly, nor that "homework" should be a top-level close reason. Also, the suggestions in answers to those previous questions to close homework as "unclear what you're asking" or "too broad" don't apply to the case I'm talking about here.

Specifically, I'm asking about no-effort homework questions where the asker has just copy-pasted their assignment question as-is. One of the available close reasons is:

off-topic because... This question does not appear to be about programming within the scope defined in the help center.

and in the help center, it specifically lists the following as a type of off-topic question:

  1. Questions asking for homework help must include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it.

So in the case of a "do my homework" question where the asker has just posted their assignment verbatim, it seems pretty clear that voting to close is justified, and "off-topic" is the correct close reason.

However, when you click off-topic, you get a list of options, none of which really fit the homework case:

  • Questions about general computing hardware and software are off-topic for Stack Overflow unless they directly involve tools used primarily for programming. You may be able to get help on Super User.
  • Questions on professional server- or networking-related infrastructure administration are off-topic for Stack Overflow unless they directly involve programming or programming tools. You may be able to get help on Server Fault.
  • Questions asking us to recommend or find a book, tool, software library, tutorial or other off-site resource are off-topic for Stack Overflow as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam. Instead, describe the problem and what has been done so far to solve it.
  • Questions seeking debugging help ("why isn't this code working?") must include the desired behavior, a specific problem or error and the shortest code necessary to reproduce it in the question itself. Questions without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers. See: How to create a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example.
  • This question was caused by a problem that can no longer be reproduced or a simple typographical error. While similar questions may be on-topic here, this one was resolved in a manner unlikely to help future readers. This can often be avoided by identifying and closely inspecting the shortest program necessary to reproduce the problem before posting.
  • This question belongs on another site in the Stack Exchange network
  • Other (add a comment explaining what is wrong)

Of these, "Questions seeking debugging help..." seems the closest, but it still doesn't really fit the homework case because if they had provided code to be debugged, then it wouldn't have been off-topic according to (3) above.

Clicking "Other" requires you to write a justification that gets left as a comment, which seems unnecessary because it's such a common close reason.

Can we please add "Questions asking for homework help must include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it." to the list of off-topic close reasons?

Edit:

This question has been asked before and already has an answer. If those answers do not fully address your question, please edit this question to explain how it is different

The linked question asks what the policy is on closing homework questions, whereas this question is asking for a new option in the off-topic question close vote interface. Regardless of the policy (whether the cited help center text is to be considered a rule or a guideline), it would convenient if the options supplied for closing off-topic questions more closely matched the rules/guidelines (whatever they may be) that we are instructed to follow when deciding whether to close them.

There are only 6 common reasons listed on the help center page, why not make each of them an option, plus an "other..." option?

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    Just go with "unclear" or a more detailed custom one, if it isn't clear what the askers problem with his task is. Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 8:21
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    If a homework question is off topic it is for a variety of reasons that we already can close for. I fail to see why there needs to be a new reason. Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 8:23
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    @Deduplicator usually it's completely clear what the question is because whoever set the homework has defined it concisely. It's also usually not "too broad" because homework assignments are usually a specific problem.
    – samgak
    Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 8:40
  • @MartijnPieters which of the listed off-topic reasons apply? The questions don't belong on another stackexchange site, and they aren't asking for recommendations or debugging help. The only option left is "Other".
    – samgak
    Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 8:44
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    @samgak: Usually they are unclear; we don't know what help they need with specific code. Or they are too broad; explaining how they can solve their problem can take a whole book by the time you are done. Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 8:47
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    @samgak: and sometimes they are just terrible questions that may be on-topic, but you then downvote the post. Not everything has to be closed just because we don't feel it deserves an answer. Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 8:49
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    @MartijnPieters I agree with your point w/r/t to homework questions in general but in the case where the assignment question is just posted as-is, the help center is pretty clear that that is off-topic. And the close dialog is pretty clear in stating that we should go by what the help center defines as off topic when making the call.
    – samgak
    Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 8:55
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    So how are questions posting the homework assignment verbatim any different from any other question with a set of requirements? Those are just as off-topic. The OP may claim it is not really homework; they are just doing a course online, or studying a book at home, or just want you to do their paid work for them. The motivation for asking the question should be left out of the equation here; it doesn't matter that the question is posted because it was homework or any other reason. Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 9:15
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    @MartijnPieters They are different from other questions because the help center and close dialog text singles out homework questions as requiring some work to have been done before asking a question and defines them as off-topic and close-able otherwise. The same isn't the case for non-homework questions, beyond general community WHYT guidelines. If we aren't supposed to treat them any differently then perhaps the help center text should be changed?
    – samgak
    Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 9:22
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    Yes, the help center text may have to be changed; it is general advice, not a specific off-topic close reason. Homework questions fit into the existing close reasons just fine. Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 9:46
  • @MartijnPieters If there's an otherwise good question (not necessarily homework), but the OP clearly hasn't even considered the possibility of trying anything, would you say it's a good fit for the site and should be encouraged? The tour page lists that in the "Don't ask about" section, the help center seems to say it's not enough, and I don't really want to be some kid's code writing service. Can you clarify?
    – tux3
    Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 11:49
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    @tux3: that'd be a no effort question, for which the discussion is here: Should we add a "Do my work for me" close reason? Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 11:50
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    I really don't this is a problem with homework questions. Either they are on-topic (and answerable) or they're not. And besides, who really wants to do someone else's homework? In my experience for "bad" homework questions, downvotes + comments like "what have you tried" or "we won't do your homework" have a great way of pushing the question away and even removed/deleted from the following flood of downvotes.
    – ryanyuyu
    Commented Apr 16, 2015 at 15:40
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    I agree 100% with everything @MartijnPieters has said here. Stop worrying about the OP. Worry about the question. Is it useful? Is the problem a legitimate issue that someone could have in the real world? Will it help someone else with the same problem? If so, then there is absolutely no reason to close it just because it is homework. The problem is if you give people a close reason, it will be over-used. Commented May 7, 2015 at 0:07
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    Years later, I was going to ask the same thing. Fortunately, I found your question which expressed my sentiments exactly. Why can we close for all of the reasons in the help center except for this one?
    – user10957435
    Commented Jun 23, 2019 at 4:31

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"Homework" questions can be interpreted (or, misinterpreted) to cover a very large number of questions that don't actually come from a school assignment, thus opening it up to be abused for any question someone "doesn't like".

If a question is posted, well worded, shows research, and is in every other way a valid question, but is started with or ended with "this is homework" or "this is an assignment", simply remove the fluff text and voila, it isn't a homework question anymore!

Most of the samples you provided in your question are already covered by other close reasons.

Questions seeking debugging help ("why isn't this code working?") must include the desired behavior, a specific problem or error and the shortest code necessary to reproduce it in the question itself. Questions without a clear problem statement are not useful to other readers. See: How to create a Minimal, Complete, and Verifiable example.

The fact that the question is asking for homework help vs hobby help vs work help shouldn't change the rules.


One thing that makes the above kinda shaky is this one line on the https://stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic page:

  1. Questions asking for homework help must include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it.

I don't understand why the "for homework help" distinction is needed here. It should either apply to all questions or none of them.

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  • If a question is posted, well worded, shows research, and is in every other way a valid question, but is started with or ended with "this is homework" or "this is an assignment", simply remove the fluff text and voila, it isn't a homework question anymore! That's all very nice, but that wasn't what my question was about at all. I specifically said I was talking about homework question askers that just copy-pasted their assignment questions verbatim, and not homework-related questions in general, which might in some cases be good questions.
    – samgak
    Commented Apr 17, 2015 at 13:19
  • Those typically fall under other close reasons already, or are perfectly valid questions. If one doesn't, then it probably doesn't need to be closed.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Apr 17, 2015 at 14:34
  • Adding an "other.." option or a "This is homework, please do the work yourself" option is just going to lead to closures that don't need to happen.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Apr 17, 2015 at 14:37
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    Here's an example. Say we come across a question that looks like this: "Here is a Python list of data: [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]. Get the sum.". This question can be reworded to: "Here is a Python list of data: [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]. How do I get the sum?" and it would be a perfectly valid and useful question. Far more useful than the few thousand "here's my error, here's my code, it does this but it should do that" questions we get every day.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Apr 17, 2015 at 14:40
  • Why doesn't this fall into the scope of the rule ^H^H^H^H strong guideline that says "must include summary of the work you've done so far and the difficulty"? Commented May 6, 2015 at 23:57
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If close reasons for every edge case were added, Close Vote reviewers would spend all their time trying to choose the correct one (option paralysis), instead of actually reviewing the questions.

If you believe the question should be closed, pick the reason that's most appropriate, and move on with your life.

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    It's not really an edge case when it's one of the 6 examples of off-topic questions given on the page that explains what an off-topic question is. There are 6 clear examples given, and all of them except for the homework example are presented as options on the off-topic close dialog. It's conspicuous by its absence. When I first posted this question I thought it was just an oversight, but I'm starting to realize that there is a huge resistance to closing homework questions and lots of people would prefer if that reason was just removed from the help page altogether.
    – samgak
    Commented Apr 17, 2015 at 13:08
  • @samgak Ah, your point is that the close reasons don't match the ones listed in the FAQ, gotcha. There used a be a "question shows minimal understanding" but that was removed because it apparently hurt people's feelings (meta.stackoverflow.com/a/257979/70345), and I'm guessing that's the same reason why homework currently isn't a close reason. Personally I've never understood the kid gloves approach to question moderation, particularly since "close" became "on hold".
    – Ian Kemp
    Commented Apr 17, 2015 at 14:25
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I came here to ask the same question, and feel that it is supported by

3) Questions asking for homework help must include a summary of the work you've done so far to solve the problem, and a description of the difficulty you are having solving it.

It's hard to find a reason that remotely matches this in the existing list.

Note that selecting the "wrong" reason can result in a strange looking reason comment being posted for the question, so it's not as simple as "just choose an existing one and get on with it". This would only be helpful advice if there were a catch all reason.

I guess "blatantly off topic" is as close as it gets, since homework questions without anything other than copy and paste the question are blatantly in violation of this rule.

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  • Well, that's actually not a hard-and-fast rule (we have very few of those), but an extremely strong suggestion. It is possible to ask a question inspired by homework, which is both high-quality and completely ignores that recommendation. Possible, but very rare and hard. Commented May 6, 2015 at 23:43
  • In which case, you wouldn't flag it, eh? Doesn't help for flagging bad questions of this nature. I guess they just get downvotes and move on... but the sad thing is that rep-seekers vote these up, presumably because they can get rep from answering them with the solution. Maybe we need a separate site called homework exchange. There's clearly demand... Commented May 6, 2015 at 23:44
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    No, they are closed for unclear (no idea what the "question" is), too broad (no idea where to start, or the starting point is obviously too low), debugging help (it doesn't work, write it for me) and the like. Naturally, if it's bad it will also be downvoted. Commented May 6, 2015 at 23:49
  • I guess you're saying this one is "too broad"? That could work. stackoverflow.com/questions/30089366/… Commented May 6, 2015 at 23:50
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    @Deduplicator The issue of whether the help center defines rules or guidelines seems like a red herring to me. If we are supposed to close according to a set of rules we should have close reasons that match the rules. If we close according to guidelines we should have close reasons that match the guidelines.
    – samgak
    Commented May 7, 2015 at 0:41
  • @samgak: You have to determine whether a question should be closed, and which close-reason covers it best. Yes, that's a question for your discretion, and not really a literal interpretation of "rules-as-written", which makes it hard, and means you should understand the reasons behind each one. Commented May 7, 2015 at 8:19
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    I still don't see why this is a reason not to have a close-reason for an obvious case from the rules. Commented May 7, 2015 at 8:27
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    @Deduplicator I understand all that, but it seems like you are basically repeating the argument that we should make close vote decisions by following the guidelines according to our discretion, which I have no problem with. The problem is, once we have decided that a question is off-topic by consulting the guidelines and applying our discretion as to whether the question is good for the site, the available close options are less helpful than they could be. If a question is off-topic, why shoe-horn it into the "too broad" or "unclear" reasons? It just feels really unclear and imprecise.
    – samgak
    Commented May 7, 2015 at 13:50
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Every few months or so, the set of close reasons gets reduced because someone's feelings got hurt when their lousy question got closed.

This is a "race to the bottom" attempt to make SO as useful as Yahoo Answers.

I expect by this time next year, the only close reason will be "Contains Child Porn".

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