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I have flagged this answer several times:

[Yes.][1]

This isn't the only method for doing it, but this is probably the most elegant method I've encountered.

[Here's another one.][2]

But moderators keep declining it. I've used to think that link-only answers don't add value to SO. I see this answer as a clear link-only, am I wrong?

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    The post is 4 and half years old and has been upvoted 14 times, it clearly has been useful to some. You don't just delete posts that have been useful. You can instead edit the post to add the external information, summarised. Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 11:56
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    If you flag a post as Not An Answer, it is the community that decides on the fate of the post, except that if there are enough 'recommend deletion' votes on a post with a positive score the flag is escalated to the moderators, who then make the call to delete or not. If your flag was declined, then either the community or the moderators decided the post can stay. Don't re-flag in such cases. Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 11:58
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    @MartijnPieters what about guidance given in Your answer is in another castle: when is an answer not an answer? "let me be clear: this sort of response is not an answer. If you see this, flag it. Moderators, if you see it flagged, delete it..."
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 12:10
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    @gnat: it answers the question though. If you remove the markup, only the 'here's another one' part is entirely useless. The first two sentences still stand as an answer. A bad answer perhaps, but still. Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 12:12
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    @MartijnPieters I find it hard to figure how "yes" could answer the question "how can I do it..." To avoid misunderstanding I've seen part of the question "Is this possible with CSS?" but frankly, "yes" in this case looks more like exploiting slippery wording of the asker... "community should not be penalized for that answerer or asker's failing"
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 12:17
  • @gnat: sure, it is a terrible answer without the markup, worthy of downvote oblivion. But I can see that a moderator, looking at it in isolation, would see the votes, would see the wording that looks like an answer, and decline the flag. Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 12:20
  • flagged several times is worrisome...
    – brasofilo
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 13:34
  • @gnat: Thanks for bringing this to my attention. This is one my first contributions to SO, and it certainly doesn't meet the requirements of the site with respect to answers. The information may be useful, but it certainly isn't presented properly in any fashion. Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 13:47
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    @brasofilo hmm..what's that definition again?
    – Taryn Mod
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 13:48
  • @JoelEtherton you're welcome; I commented primarily to clarify context of the recent edit to that answer
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 13:59
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    @gnat: relevant discussion for "yes" answers
    – Shog9
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 16:32
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    @Shog9 while I agree that NAA for "yes" / "no" is sort of a russian roulette, worth noting that in this particular case question was "how can I do it...", ie neither a yes/no kind nor a gimme linkz request
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 16:51

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When you flagged it, what action would you have us take?

Delete it?

No. It conveys useful information (both of those links work and the first one is Gold).

Edit it to include the code to solve the issue?

There are 16 moderators. Why is the onus on the moderator to edit a post that you can edit?

So while you may be right that it a link-only answer (sigh), it doesn't meet any of the criteria for deletion, and even if it did meet a single criteria for deletion, its deletion would make Stack Overflow a worse place because we're deleting useful content.

The answer has been flagged five times. I'm surprised that none of the people elected to improve the answer.

Here are the results of those flags:

Nov 8 '13 at 15:34    User 1    not an answer                       Disputed
Nov 10 '13 at 1:46    User 2    invalid flags                       Disputed
Jan 13 at 9:01        User 3    (custom) it is very low quality     Helpful
Sep 1 at 18:19        User 4    (custom) it is a link-only answer   Helpful
3 mins ago            User 5    not an answer                       Declined

I've anonymized who flagged it, as well as the moderators that handled it; (and there may or may not be five different flaggers), but this tells you the breakdown of how the flags were handled.

Disputed means that the community did not agree.

"Helpful" but the answer sticking around means that the moderators thought the flagger flagged in Good faith, but elected not to take any action.

"Declined" means the moderator believes either the user acted in Bad Faith, or there was not a reason to mark it "Helpful".

I've edited the answer to include the completed CSS needed to make the answer more powerful.

If you see an answer that has a lot of upvotes that is comprised of just a link, there are many things you can do, flagging it should be the last resort.

You can:

  • Edit it
  • Leave a comment for the author
  • See if the answer's quality (or lack thereof) is a result of the question, and improve the question or vote to close it.
  • Flag the answer

Flagging is the nuclear option. Flags only result in one of two outcomes:

  • The content is deleted (bad if the links convey useful information)
  • Nothing.

Previously, previously, previously, previously, previously, previously, previously, previously, previously, previously, previously, previously, previously, previously, previously, previously, previously.

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  • FWIW I considered editing this answer but couldn't figure how to make a sensible summary of the linked article; it seems to be beyond my subject matter expertise to do right. I didn't flag but can imagine flaggers having this issue too
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 12:38
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    consider editing to clarify what exactly is "nuclear" about flagging and deletion, specifically when author is active at SO. My understanding is, answerers have an option to edit and flag to undelete, haven't they?
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 12:51
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    +1 - This deserves upvotes just for setting a good example, but also for (once again) clearly explaining the reasoning behind why we often decline NAA and VLQ flags. Editing a post into shape should always be the first reaction.
    – Bill the Lizard Mod
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 12:51
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    @gnat These are things you can universally do, independent of how 'active' or 'inactive' a user is. Deleting an answer makes it immediately invisible to someone from Google. Google comprises a ton of traffic; it'd be unfair to delete good content because we don't like its form. It's far better (and less jarring) if we engage users to fix their content, or use our editing powers and do it ourselves. Also, doesn't seem like deletions do well in the notification arena.
    – George Stocker Mod
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 12:59
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    +1: I personally would have preferred that the "low-quality-ness" of the format of the answer be brought to my attention. Rather than simply flagging and moving on, pointing it out to the author might help them generate a better answer at that time. Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 13:50
  • @gnat: Totally understandable, but none of the comments to me actually ever mentioned the quality of the answer itself, nor was I notified of the flags. This is certainly something I would have made an effort to correct myself if I'd known of the issue then. Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 13:52
  • @JoelEtherton yeah that also stroke me as somewhat weird. Unless there are deleted comments (moderators can verify that), nobody of flaggers / moderators ever bothered to comment suggesting an edit; there aren't even auto-generated comments from review queue there. Weird; handling issues is so much easier when there are comments
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 14:03
  • @gnat There were no comments asking to improve the quality of the answer and remove the link-only? nature of it. Also the last flag that would have gone into the VLQ was from 11/8/13 (NAA) and it was deemed invalid by a 10K user. At that time, if I recall correctly, didn't go to the queue.
    – Taryn Mod
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 14:06
  • @bluefeet that's sad. I can to some extent understand lazy / inexperienced flaggers and reviewers who let it go that way but why it wasn't commented by two moderators who handled flags as helpful on Jan 13 and Sep 1 in George's log (unless the flags were somehow auto-resolved from the queue - but then, there would be auto-generated comments there?)
    – gnat
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 14:10
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    @gnat moderators leaving comments on a post in these situations is not feasible, given the amount of flags moderators handle and the amount of time we spend processing just flags. The onus should be on the person flagging to engage with the poster.
    – George Stocker Mod
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 14:23
  • @GeorgeStocker: Honestly, I think that's where he's implying that the comment should come. At the moment someone deemed it "flaggable", they should also have made a comment as to why so the person who answered may have an opportunity to improve it. This is almost as annoying as anonymous down-votes, but I think in many cases this comes more as a detriment to the site for not providing the opportunity to improve the quality right away. Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 14:26
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    @GeorgeStocker: Also, thanks for the edit on that answer. Completely appropriate. Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 14:28
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    @gnat It takes more effort to decline a flag than it does to mark it as helpful and not do anything. The "investment" for marking a flag helpful is less than anything else. The issue is that people have gotten so used to flagging to solve issues they've forgotten how to do anything else. We're trying to stem that tide, because flagging is an inherently destructive solution. It's far better for everyone if flaggers take a step back and engage, edit, and if none of those work, then flag. That's the best solution there is.
    – George Stocker Mod
    Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 14:29
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    @gnat: Reasonable, but perhaps a suggestion for a modification of the moderator interface is in order. I understand the viewpoint that the moderator is already doing work and shouldn't have to do more work, but at the same time not commenting does no one any good. Perhaps if the decline interface had an additional button or checkbox to insert an "auto-comment" similar to how the duplicate close vote inserts a comment and/or comment upvote. Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 14:30
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    @GeorgeStocker: Oh, no, I'm not suggesting that. I'm just suggesting sort of an optional "stock" message (decline button, decline w/notice button) that dumps a "canned" note as a comment on the answer. "Your answer was flagged for quality, but a moderator chose to decline the flag. Please consider improving the quality of your answer if possible." I'm not indicating any suggestion that would add work to the moderators certainly. Commented Oct 29, 2014 at 14:41

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