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https://stackoverflow.com/a/25380698/298661

This is a perfectly fine, totally accurate answer. Why on Earth was it deleted by the moderator?

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    Add pic (or link to one) for us commoners unable to see deleted stuff.
    – thecoshman
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:14
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    The answer text is simply "No!". You believe a high quality answer like that should remain? In particular when the OP had to resort to Unicode trickery to go over the minimum post length restriction?
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:15
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    @Oded based on the question, yes. 'No!' perfectly answers the question. The question here is, is why is that question still around?
    – thecoshman
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:16
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    @Puppy, any reason why you keep rolling back efforts by others to add a screenshot of that answer? Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:17
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    And the community is finding it more helpful to have the picture. Please don't get into a rollback war.
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:18
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    If you need to circumvent the length filter to post an answer; it's probably a sign that you shouldn't post the answer.
    – George Stocker Mod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:23
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    @GeorgeStocker A previous discussion states that an answer is an answer regardless of how short it is. Is this no longer true?
    – Rapptz
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:27
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    @Puppy In that case, Stack Overflow may not be the site for you. This was a valid edit (see reasons "To add related resources or hyperlinks" and "To include additional information only found in comments, so all of the information relevant to the post is contained in one place") Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:38
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    @Puppy - Rollback wars don't help anyone. Locking the post to stop it is the only way that's been found to work. It forces you to wait and hopefully cool down.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:40
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    @Puppy - you were asked why you were rolling back the edit - you declined to answer and only gave your reasons after the post had been locked and then unlocked.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:42
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    @Puppy Trust me, I think everyone knows at this point that you don't want the screenshot.
    – Michelle
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:59
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    The question also has "edited by Mad Scientist" along with a link that shows exactly to what extent Mad Scientist changed the question. Said link also includes which parts of the question were written by Puppy. Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:59
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    @Puppy: "The question has 'WRITTEN BY PUPPY' stamped all over it." I don't see that text even once. Could you please provide a screenshot of where you're seeing "WRITTEN BY PUPPY" "stamped all over" this question? Thanks. Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 13:01
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    Puppy..... I think you mistake SO for what it isn't... the content you post here ISN'T YOURS. it's a community effort and has edits from other people explicitely for that reason. I love how on one hand you say "this is not how the site was designed to be, I should not show deleted stuff to people who can't see deleted stuff" but on the other hand seem to fail at understanding how the site IS designed to be a community effort to build the best questions/answers possible, with input from EVERYONE. The ONLY difference between before/after edit is a small screenshot.... just calm down
    – Patrice
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 14:24
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    So much effort wasted on such an inconsequential question.
    – Robert Harvey Mod
    Commented Apr 11, 2015 at 21:28

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Three - sorry four reasons.

  1. It had been deleted by the OP and then undeleted by community action.
  2. If the user (and subsequent editor) hadn't used Unicode shenanigans it wouldn't have passed the minimum post length test.
  3. It was flagged (for the above) so it came to my attention
  4. There were other answers that backed up the assertion with evidence that provided more value to the community (like how to work out there were no changes).

None of the reasons individually would normally convince me that the post needed to be deleted, but when taken altogether they did.

The question wasn't brilliant in the first place - being about something that could have been fairly easily found out from a search.

The first and fourth reasons were the clinchers - if the OP decided that the answer shouldn't have been posted then I saw no reason for the community to override that decision.

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    You forgot reason #0: Jefffrey ruined it. Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:25
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    @thecoshman - yes 3 is a reason. If it hadn't of been flagged I probably wouldn't have deleted even if I'd come across it browsing the site.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:26
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    @thecoshman - I expressed myself badly. If I came across a post like this and I thought it was doing no harm I probably wouldn't delete. However, the minute it starts generating flags then it's causing harm and has to be deleted.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:30
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    @Rapptz - nope, because if the post is not delete worthy your flag would get declined.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:34
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    @Michelle - It's not something that's flagged up to us, so no we don't have a protocol. However, in this case I noticed it because I checked the revision history and it was this that clinched my decision to delete.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:35
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    @thecoshman - no. I deleted because the OP had used Unicode shenanigans to circumvent the minimum post length then (rightly) changed his mind had deleted the post, but the post had been resurrected against his wishes.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:37
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    @thecoshman Short answers are fine - but if you can answer a question with "yes" or "no" then perhaps it's not a very good question in the first place or one that can be easily answered with a search of the web.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:38
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    @Rapptz - in that case then a "No" with a link to the documentation and short explanation of how you worked that out would be the best answer.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:47
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit - there were other answers that also said "no" and backed it up with evidence so there was really no need for that answer to exist.
    – ChrisF Mod
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:48
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    @Puppy: What, so, "you don't like a law" = "no problem in breaking it" and "evidence of law breakage cannot be used as evidence"? Really? Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 12:53
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    He applied a rule that is totally appropriate for this question. Now that you have your answer, perhaps just stop this madness... Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 13:02
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    Why do you assume the people that flagged were the ones with longer answers? Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 13:19
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    For what is worth, I did make a much better answer: it's still there, not deleted, 20+ score as of this writing. (And if you have to ask, I posted it as a separate answer instead of editing the existing one out of respect for the votes of the tens of people that had already voted on the controversial one; I wouldn't like it if my vote ended up in an answer almost, but not quite, entirely unlike the one I voted on) Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 13:21
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    @thecoshman The first point alone seems like enough reason to me- Combining it with point four makes it pointless to keep that answer (in my opinion). If the original author of the post finds it of no value, and there are answers that explain it, I don't see how that answer is worth keeping around. Could you provide a better explanation for why it should be kept around despite just those two points? It would better help me understand your side of this debate, and may help others see it as well.
    – Kendra
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 16:30
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    @thecoshman What I've noticed from other meta discussions (I unfortunately don't have the time to scare one up and verify) is that if it does not add any information to the post, it's not necessarily worth keeping around. I could have interpreted this incorrectly, of course, but just "No!" adds nothing to what the other answers have said, so that would make it not worth keeping around correct? And yes, community undeleted it, but my point was that the author doesn't want it around- It's their name associated with it. Doesn't that matter here?
    – Kendra
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 18:10
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Without an explanation, this answer ("No!") may become useless in case if someone else posts an opposite opinion.

For example, if someone posts a claim like "Yes!", how would this answer help reader to pick of two opposing opinions?

https://i.sstatic.net/mOFCT.png

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    I'm not sure that this explains why the answer should be deleted rather than just downvoted with extreme prejudice. It shows why the answer is poor, but not why it's unacceptable.
    – Michelle
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 13:54
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    @Michelle downvoting "with extreme prejudice" sounds like a nice idea... when one ignores that people vote as they wish (and not by idealistic meta rules). Consider re-checking screen shot of deleted answer, it shows score +51, how many downvotes would you want to offset this? 52?
    – gnat
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 14:03
  • ...to avoid misunderstanding, I am not against downvotes in general (qualifying for 4-5 Pale Horse Rider badges, why would I). It's just that downvotes don't always work
    – gnat
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 14:08
  • By my understanding poor answers that aren't spam/offensive/NAA should not be deleted by the community/mods, just downvoted. Has there been any discussion on what to do with poor quality answers that get heavily upvoted anyway?
    – Michelle
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 14:22
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    @Michelle given that question is in hot list (4K views in a day), I would consider classical guidance given by Jeff Atwood in How aggressively should we maintain and improve very popular questions?
    – gnat
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 14:25
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    @gnat: "Consider re-checking screen shot of deleted answer, it shows score +51, how many downvotes would you want to offset this? 52?" You seem to be suggesting that one person should be able to completely cancel out the opinion of fifty-two other people just because they have a different opinion. You've shown such draconian thinking in the past. Do you not understand the concept of group decision-making? Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 14:28
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    @LightnessRacesinOrbit I just follow thinking laid out in The Trouble With Popularity: "This is why community moderators have real power; they need that power to intervene, educate, and refocus the community’s exuberance on more substantive content..." And if you wanna play numbers, consider taking into account 600+ votes given to that "single person" in election
    – gnat
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 14:45
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    @gnat damn you... now my head hurts thinking about that voting system :S
    – thecoshman
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 14:52
  • @gnat: You're not the first to think about this problem. Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 15:29
  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit f(Number_Of_Question_Views) in your formula makes me feel that adjusted score for that "answer" would be somewhere between 5 and 0.5 (at 4K views of the question). I wonder by the way why you propose linear transformation, and not, say, logarithmic
    – gnat
    Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 16:08
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    @gnat: Logarithmic might be a good idea Commented Aug 20, 2014 at 16:11
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I don't think that it was a problematic answer. No other answer posted on that question were as quick and easy to read and understand as the deleted answer.

That being said, there were other answers on that question that essentially conveyed the same answer, that there are no new keywords in c++ 14. The OP apparently believed his post to be obsolete, so he deleted it.

And the OP was right, it was obsolete. Even though it's an easy to read answer, it was still surrounded by other answers, and since bringing it back wouldn't clear away those other answers, it wouldn't make the information more easy to find for future users anyway.

So when other people voted to un-delete the answer, the Mod came and deleted it again, and since the OP would have had it deleted in the first place, there's no real harm done.

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Is it really fair for a user to receive 510 reputation for writing three characters using Unicode trickery to get around the minimum 30 characters limit for answers?

The post is NAA because it should be a comment (but it turns out it is even too short to be a comment).

And look at the comments on the answer! They totally agree with my points:

comments on deleted answer

User @nneonneo emphasises the Unicode misconduct by posting an empty comment using the same characters used by the OP of the answer.

@Shahar's comment was posted probably when the answer had only 15 upvotes, but sadly that increased to 51(!).

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