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It was pointed out to me that "I'm voting to close this question because it doesn't show any effort" isn't a valid custom close reason. This was discussed in the comment section of How to sort object entries by key order from another array?

But according to the tour: "Don't ask about... Questions you haven't tried to find an answer for (show your work!)" and "Questions that need improvement may be closed until someone fixes them." the lack of any attempt or work is a close reason.

Is "I'm voting to close this question because it doesn't show any attempt or work" a valid custom close reason? If it's not a close reason, shouldn't the tour be updated to avoid confusion?

In meta I can find multiple similar questions with many different and contradicting answers. Someone could pick one answer supporting their point and I could pick a different answer supporting my point. Aren't the clear guidelines in the tour and the help center above the discussions in meta containing different opinions?

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    The short answer is "No, you should not vote to close due to lack of effort or attempt." The only effort we require is the effort to write a clear, focused problem that's not a duplicate. And if it's a duplicate, you need to close it as a duplicate, not due to lack of effort.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Apr 17, 2022 at 0:51
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    If they are unclear due to lack of effort, yes, they can be closed as Needs details or clarity. However, if they're clear but simply lack problem-solving effort, they cannot.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Apr 17, 2022 at 1:10
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    The tour doesn't set out close-vote reasons. It provides guidelines on how to ask a good, high-quality question. The close-vote reasons are documented here: stackoverflow.com/help/on-topic and stackoverflow.com/help/closed-questions
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Apr 17, 2022 at 4:43
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    For guidance on custom reasons, please see the new guidance we've just released here.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Apr 17, 2022 at 6:03
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    @RyanM It's not trivial to find. It could be more prominent, e.g. in the help center. But it answers my question.
    – jabaa
    Commented Apr 17, 2022 at 6:07
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    I agree. It's quite new; hopefully we'll be able to get it linked from more places in the future.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Apr 17, 2022 at 6:08
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    A real easy way to find out if something is closable: Is it answerable and is it on-topic? If yes - do not close it (except if it's a duplicate). If no - then you can vote to close it. Anything else is irrelevant. SO does not have a "code tax". You don't have to pay "one code" to get "one answer". If it's unclear because there is no code provided, then vote "Needs details or clarity" or "Lacks debugging details". Some times "Needs more focus" might also be appropriate. If the question is clear without code then the choose this from the close dialog
    – VLAZ
    Commented Apr 17, 2022 at 9:16
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    Close it for lack of focus , that would be true and is valid
    – nbk
    Commented Apr 17, 2022 at 15:09
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    So, I'm feeling kind of stunned by this as I don't think it's the way that SO generally works. Questions just asking us to write code for them that show no effort to solve it themselves, but do clearly show the problem to be solved are just fine? A classic question (which we seem many times a week) is I have this input data structure and I want to change it to this output data structure. Throw in a few special circumstances that make it so there's no duplicate that really illustrates how to write this code. So, that's just fine and dandy on SO?
    – jfriend00
    Commented Apr 18, 2022 at 1:05
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    @jfriend00 Examples of this might be helpful. Generally, we try to encourage questions that could conceivably be applicable to someone else in the future. Requiring problem-solving effort in the question is often counterproductive to this goal. For example, we have a few questions that have turned into a canonical, highly voted question, where the top answer basically says "you made a typo here, here's the correct code," - focusing on the specific incorrect attempt. The question would have been so much better without the attempt, allowing answerers to suggest the best way to do it.
    – Ryan M Mod
    Commented Apr 18, 2022 at 1:10
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    @RyanM - That's a bit hard to search for, but maybe I could accumulate ones I see over the next week. Here's one closed today that isn't a great example for the stated reason of "needs details", but the question actually seems very clear to me as "please explain each line of Javascript" in this page.
    – jfriend00
    Commented Apr 18, 2022 at 1:55
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    As a side note, I was looking for examples of this by searching recent closed questions. Wow, what a lot of junk reasons for closing questions. This community is horrible at closing questions for (needs details or clarity) that are not difficult to understand and answer and no duplicate has been shown. I don't have to look very long and they are easy to find. I also see lots of questions being marked a duplicate where the duplicate does not contain what would be considered a good or modern answer. In all these cases, I don't see how closing the question is helping the OP or helping SO.
    – jfriend00
    Commented Apr 18, 2022 at 2:01
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    @jabaa Only debugging questions need debugging details. The question is on-topic, albeit not exactly well asked; I've seen pretty much the same question for Python. Commented Apr 18, 2022 at 12:33
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    FWIW, it certainly doesn't help that the question as presented is just a dump of an exercise description. It lacks an actual question, which is certainly a lack of a significant detail. Whether one wants to be that literal, well... Commented Apr 18, 2022 at 12:46
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    @jfriend00 See, I'm having a hard time processing many of your recent comments. For example, your comment complains about incorrect dupe closure – something I can fully get behind as being bad. But then it attributes that to curation, and suddenly it is about a general issue of curation versus helping. Bad (duplicate) closure is neither curation nor helping. If you want to call out misuse or even abuse, please do so – but please do not equate it to curation, painting actual helpful curation efforts in a bad light by association. Commented Apr 20, 2022 at 14:58

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