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I was surprised to find someone commenting on a self-answer that "the proper etiquette is to add 'Solved' to your title and edit it into your question". I commented rather brusque (firmly yet polite – or so I tell myself), and fortunately the commenter was on-line and so we briefly discussed this, ending in a mea culpa from him and a confession it was the Proper Thing To Do on other fora where he hangs out.

My sort of stock comment to edits like this one which add "Solved", "Fixed", "Answered" or something similar, is

It is not necessary to edit your post and add "Solved", as it would invalidate the purpose of Stack Overflow as a question and answer site (it would no longer be a question). If you feel this question warrants a proper answer, you can post one.

and someone else's comment, equally useful:

If your problem was solved by somebody's answer, please mark that answer as correct. If you came up with this answer yourself, please write it up as an answer in the answers section (not as part of the question) and mark it correct.

The list of "Solved" question titles title:solved lists just over 3,000. So it appears that such edits are indeed actively rolled back.

Is it possible to take preemptive action when someone edits a title and tries to add "solved" or "fixed", similar to mentioning you have a "problem" in a title?

I have a problem :P

.. something like this perhaps?

it's Stacky!


Separate from taking preemptive action:

In order to justify removing the phrase from a title (and possibly from the question body as well): should we supply a canonical FAQ question-and-answer to state that (1) SO is a question-and-answer site (as two separate entities), and (2) there is a clear indicator that a question has an accepted answer?


Alas, is:q body:solved lists way, way more: 65,281, including horrible ones such as these two:

SOLVED SOLVED SOLVED YIPPEEE

and

problem solved, So Many Times

(both have been rolled back now to a more sensible state).

Heavy handed edits such as the above can be spotted easily in the search list and even on the front page, but as we all know our lovely community can be surprisingly creative when it comes to "circumventing the rules". So it may not be possible to be able to catch post-edits as easily as title additions.


(Discussed-but-not-answered earlier in Suggest to post answer / accept one when changing title to "Solved", and answered in Automatically remove '[solved]' from questions – neither propose an automatic warning, though. A Meta-meta solution: edit one at a time.)

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    Yep, I rolled those two back... Commented Oct 31, 2015 at 23:38
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    Good idea, that's one repetitive wrong question edit appearing all the time. Commented Oct 31, 2015 at 23:44
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    @Deduplicator: so that leaves some 65,379 yet to go, eh? ;) If you clicked my Search link: those two sticked out like sore thumbs. But honestly: the rest of a 50-results per page is not much better. I counted two questions where it was used appropriately, in a sentence such as "can this be solved by ...".
    – Jongware
    Commented Oct 31, 2015 at 23:44
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    I know. But I don't think I would survive wading through that much raw sewage. Commented Oct 31, 2015 at 23:48
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    This is so beautiful it brings a tear to my eye. Found with a SEDE query
    – theB
    Commented Oct 31, 2015 at 23:58
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    Well, I did my bit, nearly 30 of those posts handled. Commented Nov 1, 2015 at 1:04
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    I think other than saying [solved] is not allowed in titles, you can also remind the user that if he already knows the answer, post it!
    – Sweeper
    Commented Nov 1, 2015 at 1:13
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    The '13 post actually refers to exactly this suggestion as long ago as 2011, so it's a Meta-duplicate after all. It was not implemented then, so I'd really like to re-open this request for an automatic warning.
    – Jongware
    Commented Nov 1, 2015 at 2:22
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    Do you like "S0LVED" better?
    – tmyklebu
    Commented Nov 1, 2015 at 3:08
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    @tmyklebu: As long as it's just a warning, with fallback of alerting people (through smokey, a review-queue or whatever), we probably won't get s0lved. The problem is nobody kept on top of this madness. Commented Nov 1, 2015 at 13:35
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    Filtered a couple hundred more potential false positives out by skipping Qs with unmodified titles. Query
    – theB
    Commented Nov 1, 2015 at 15:40
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    @TinyGiant: Thanks for inserting - and, well .. no the eye blinks were to be continuous, except that they don't. I just cannot get the animation to repeat. Still, not bad for my very first SVG - it was just for a bit of a laff, and will probably be lost to a large portion of SO's younger audience anyway.
    – Jongware
    Commented Nov 1, 2015 at 21:37
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    But if the user doesn't put SOLVED!!11!!!!!one!!!!!!! everywhere in the post, how will I know if they got their answer yet? Commented Nov 2, 2015 at 4:39
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    I'd add to this feature request that we could have a set of expressions for the title and the body that trigger a warning but do not prevent the question from being posted. My bugbears are "urgent" and "ASAP", but of course they can be used in circumstances that are not demanding special attention.
    – halfer
    Commented Nov 2, 2015 at 8:20
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    Clippy, er, Stacky? Now I am having flashbacks of prancing puppy dogs and dancing paper clips that refuse to go away .. ;-)
    – Leigh
    Commented Nov 3, 2015 at 20:32

1 Answer 1

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This cute kitten1 needs your halp!

Help me, said the tiny kitten!

To help in finding posts that need some love from editors, I've created a SEDE query, which Deduplicator reworked, to find questions that currently have solved, fixed, answered, and updated notes in the title, and have been edited. The query currently (1 Nov 2015) comes back with 2492 rows, all in need of some attention.

There's also the search is:q body:solved that can be used to help find questions that will need more detailed work. This will be a much slower process. Currently there are > 65k questions in that search.

In both of the above there are some false positives, and certainly there are false negatives floating around that we aren't going to see.

Some coordination notes:

  • If you have less than 2k reputation, and want to help out, that's fine, as long as you make constructive and complete edits to the question. In other words, don't just remove 'solved' from the title. Also, don't spam the edit review queue with suggested edits. There's enough work to do already.
  • Closed questions should probably not be edited, to keep from wasting review time in the re-open queue.
  • If the question contains the solution to the problem, use your best judgement in removing it. Old/abandoned questions that are worth keeping should have the answer pulled out and made into a community wiki answer.
  • If you have close votes, and the question should be closed, vote to close the question, rather than editing, so the roomba can do its job.
  • If you have delete votes, well, you know what to do with them.
  • Try to limit the number of edits you make at any one time. We don't really need to spam the front page with hundreds of edits.

UPDATE::::::::: (;-))

This morning when working through my daily share, I was pleasantly surprised to see a handful that had already been fixed!

You're awesome!
(You know who you are)

Statistics will be updated after the next SEDE update on November 8th.


Here's the actual SQL for the query that's linked above. I welcome any suggestions. (I am, dare I say, a SQL n0Ob) Thanks to Deduplicator for proposing the better query, and Rene for suggesting the collate improvement.

-- Reworked by Deduplicator
-- Use of `collate` suggested by Rene

with candidates as (
  select postid, max(id) historyid
  from posthistory
  where posthistorytypeid = 4
  group by postid
)
select p.tags, p.id [Post Link], p.lastactivitydate [Last Active], h.Comment
from candidates
join posts p on p.id = postid
join posthistory h on h.id = historyid
where upper(Title) like '%[\[(<]SOLVED[\])>]%' escape '\'
or Title like 'SOLVED%-%' collate SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AI
or Title like '%[\[(<]FIXED[\])>]%' escape '\' collate SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AI
or Title like 'FIXED %-%' collate SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AI
or Title like '%[\[(<]ANSWERED[\])>]%' escape '\' collate SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AI
or Title like 'ANSWERED%-%' collate SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AI
or Title like '%[\[(<]UPDATED[\])>]%' escape '\' collate SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AI
or Title LIKE 'UPDATED%-%' collate SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AI
order by lastactivitydate desc

1 The kitten is a public domain image taken from here. Why include a kitten? It got you to read this footnote. And let's get real, no one is going to read a wall of text without some incentive.

The Kitty in the update is from here found via Google image search.

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    Instead of upper(title) do where Title like '%[\[(<]SOLVED[\])>]%' escape '\' collate SQL_Latin1_General_CP1_CI_AI
    – rene
    Commented Nov 1, 2015 at 21:21
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    All posts that include pictures of cats get automatic upvotes
    – Tas
    Commented Nov 1, 2015 at 21:50
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    +1 for adding a footnote to the kitten picture.
    – JRSofty
    Commented Nov 2, 2015 at 7:24
  • @Rene - Added to the query.
    – theB
    Commented Nov 2, 2015 at 12:53
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    I personally wouldn't go hunting for these things to edit. Should you run across them in your normal daily use, then make sure you are editing everything to improve the post. But actively hunting down thousands of trivial edits is not the most constructive use of time especially when there are far bigger issues to focus on.
    – Taryn StaffMod
    Commented Nov 2, 2015 at 19:33
  • @bluefeet, there are always bigger issues, regardless of what's actively being worked on. Though, I kinda agree with you, cuz [solved] in some titles doesn't really cause much damage.
    – Reed
    Commented Nov 2, 2015 at 23:28
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    @bluefeet - I know that there are bigger issues, but, frankly, how many of those are actually solvable problems? Is the CVQ ever, realistically going to be empty? (If 10% of the 31,000 people that could review close votes actually did, the queue would be empty in 2 days.) It's too easy to see the problems and become fatalistic about actually having an impact. I for one think that it would be a morale boost to be able to say, that a problem, even a trivial one, is resolved. Esprit de corps is a perfectly valid reason to do something, even if it isn't 'the most constructive use of time'. (1/3)
    – theB
    Commented Nov 2, 2015 at 23:58
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    And maybe, just maybe, if we can get some people motivated to participate in a 'trivial' project, we'll get more participation in the things that have a larger scope. Further, having a specific focused effort on something that can actually be completed, helps fight the creeping apathy that is all too common around here. Will there be posts edited that really need more attention than they are given? Yes. Will there be things that should be deleted/closed that are edited? Of course. Will the site as a whole be better when this is done, even if it is only a little bit? I think so. (2/3)
    – theB
    Commented Nov 2, 2015 at 23:58
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    Finally, very many of these posts will never be found naturally. Here's a graph with the same data as the query in the answer above, that shows last modified date vs views. The vast majority of these questions are hiding in the dark and will never be found naturally by the people with the ability to improve them. Does that mean that we shouldn't even bother? (3/3)
    – theB
    Commented Nov 2, 2015 at 23:58
  • Sure, it helps to fix them, but they aren't really causing a big problem, why make such a big effort to fix it? I don't like this whole... "I made a difference!" thought process. If you want to do something that makes a difference, work toward getting more of our existing users using upvotes and downvotes correctly. Sure, it's harder to measure how "successful" your actions are, but it's toward a goal that actually does make a difference. Edit them as you find them while answering.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Nov 3, 2015 at 15:18
  • The quickest, most direct, and likely most helpful thing you can do for this site is to write a good answer to a good question. Then, if you see these things in the title as you're working toward that goal, fix it!
    – Kevin B
    Commented Nov 3, 2015 at 15:30
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    Maybe add solution to your query? I don't think it would pick up on stackoverflow.com/q/20661275/5111146 Commented Nov 3, 2015 at 16:27
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    @bluefeet: there is such a thing as the Broken Windows Theory – which at least for me is not a mere theory (look: I spotted a fresh one while I was typing this!). As long as there are questions to be found with "SOLVED" in the title, people will assume it is the proper thing to do. Which it is not: "Ask questions, get answers, no distractions".
    – Jongware
    Commented Nov 4, 2015 at 0:26
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    After a few days of work, I've removed a few thousands SOLVED/RESOLVED/FIXED/ANSWERED/UPDATED. I left approximately 50 as of July 22 2018.
    – Cœur
    Commented Jul 22, 2018 at 10:34
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    @Cœur ...and now they're none. I went through all of them - there mustn't be others the next time SEDE will be updated (except those where the solved will be added this week, one locked post and one no MCVE one). Commented May 29, 2019 at 13:10

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