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I have come across a few (mostly older) questions that have highly-upvoted, accepted answers that are objectively wrong.

Example

https://stackoverflow.com/a/1424436/141172

I suppose the theory is that downvotes of the accepted answer plus upvotes of a correct answer will allow the cream to rise to the top. That seems not to happen, particularly with older answers (probably because answers attracted many more votes in the early days).

With the older answers, the chances are less that the OP or author of the accepted answer are still active members.

Can or should anything be done to increase visibility of the correct answer and/or decrease visibility of the incorrect, accepted answer beyond up/down voting?


I first noticed this particular question around 6 months ago. I came across it again today, and the dominance of the objectively wrong answer had not changed. I did up/down vote as appropriate, and upvoted a spot-on comment about the answers.


The difference in average vote quantities past and present has emerged as a factor in the discussion of this question. That reminded me of one of my answers.

How to check for file lock?

In this case, the accepted answer was probably right at the time the question was asked. My answer came much later and is right in the present (the old answer is no longer optimal).

The original accepted answer with 87 net upvotes is from 2008. My answer is 6 months old, and has 20 upvotes, or about 25% as many as the accepted answer. Time is working... my answer garners a steady stream of upvotes, and should be on par with the accepted answer (though below a different, older answer) in 18 months at the current rate.

This is possibly a question that would benefit from my suggestion to highlight questions where one or more new answers are gaining upvotes significantly faster than an older, accepted answer https://meta.stackoverflow.com/a/265728/141172

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    You can downvote such answers. Add a comment if you like. That's it. And this actually does work, don't distrust time so much. Commented Jul 14, 2014 at 17:51
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    I did, and I upvoted a spot-on comment around 6 months back when I first discovered the question. I searched for it again today because I forgot the answer, and saw that the correct answer was still unaccepted and with 1/4 the votes of the wrong answer. I have seen that type of thing several times, though other examples escape me at the moment.
    – Eric J.
    Commented Jul 14, 2014 at 17:53
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    Your specific example is not that highly voted, really. It evidently is either a more obscure corner (not many people actually know the answer) or the subject is otherwise not attracting much traffic. 45 up, 4 down after almost 5 years is really not that much. Commented Jul 14, 2014 at 17:55
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    @MartijnPieters: Which would mean that time is unlikely to rectify the incorrect answer. Those that do need/care about a correct answer will have to wait a very long time for the correct answer to rise to the top.
    – Eric J.
    Commented Jul 14, 2014 at 17:56
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    Interesting that two comments on the accepted answer indicate that it worked for them. Meanwhile, the next answer is superbrief, approaching link-only. I think those contribute further to this being a corner case.
    – Air
    Commented Jul 14, 2014 at 18:04
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    In other words: How do we know you are right and the accepted answer is indeed incorrect? There are 45 upvotes on that answer indicating people found it helpful. There currently is no other mechanism other than voting to determine the helpfulness of an answer. Commenting helps, especially with a comment that can explain clearly how the specific answer is wrong. Commented Jul 14, 2014 at 18:06
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    @EricJ.: and the answer with +10 is, frankly, very thin on the ground. It also appears that for some circumstances, at least, the answer is reported to work. I cannot validate this, no experience in the tools whatsoever. In summary, it appears that the specific case you picked is not cut and dry, and the competing answer is not of great quality either. Write a better answer, one that explains what to do, why to do it like that and refuting the accepted answer clearly and with documentation. Then see if it doesn't eventually garner more upvotes. Commented Jul 14, 2014 at 18:09
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    Please leave a more constructive comment than "Such a highly upvoted and accepted answer that is clearly wrong." People are less likely to try to fix a highly-upvoted and accepted answer if you don't explain what is wrong with it.
    – Bill the Lizard Mod
    Commented Jul 14, 2014 at 19:05
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    @SamIam: If that's a dupe, it needs a title change. Wrong answers and bad questions are entirely different beasts.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Jul 14, 2014 at 19:42
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    Please don't close as a dupe of that question, since it is about QUESTIONS, not anwers. Commented Jul 14, 2014 at 22:31
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    @MartijnPieters: And this actually does work, don't distrust time so much. -> I think we live in different time dimensions then. More often than not, it is nearly impossible to get bad answers out of their highly upvotes state. I cannot even get more than 1-2 downvotes usually for a clearly link-only, but very old and hence upvoted answer, let alone bad posts. Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 13:17
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    @MartijnPieters: If you need to "convince a posse in chat", that is already the sign of something broken, isn't it? I appreciate your advice and I think they work on a theoretical level, but not in the practice. I would be happy if it did. I have done all that before, and oftentimes this had not put me ahead. Now, you could say that I am wrong about the judgement, and I would even consider it being true if other core contributors of the project would not agree with me. They are not on Stack Overflow, partially because of bad answers and poor questions. Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 14:14
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    @FinalContest: What other solutions do you propose? Because it requires a community consensus that a given answer is bad. You cannot just point at an answer, say that is a bad answer and should go away, and have it be so just by your say-so. If you are looking at a bad answer that is upvoted because the community of experts is not participating, then you have a problem with that community. If they don't care about the quality, then there is nothing we can do. Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 14:17
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    @MartijnPieters: the first step would be people becoming objective and not subjective with full of revenge around. This is a community issue and it is the responsibility of Mr. Heyer. I would also instantly remove the option of no reasoning for downvotes. These would be such enormous step ahead attracting further experts to contribute. I would also introduce weighted vote for experts, starting with -2 with golden badge. I would also consider a queue/notification for gold badge holders to review such answers that are flagged by other gold badge holders. Plenty of ways to approach it... Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 14:19
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    Distrusting time or not... At least it seems the meta-effect can be trusted ;-) Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 17:06

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Wikipedia flags articles that may be biased or incomplete, so that the user knows to pay special attention to the quality. I would not suggest that we introduce editorial flags, but perhaps we could flag a question if one or more significantly newer answers are being upvoted at a much higher rate than an older, accepted answer, e.g.

The best answer may have changed. Newer answers are receiving significantly more upvotes than the accepted answer.

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    If you feel bold, you could just edit this into the answer (indented in a quote box, terminated by a horizontal line) - as it was done with duplicate questions in the old days.
    – Bergi
    Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 23:29
  • meta.stackoverflow.com/a/255574/829571 - you can add a comment pointing out what the problem is and edit the question by adding a short sentence at the top linking to the comment.
    – assylias
    Commented Jul 16, 2014 at 11:37
  • If you do this, try to be objective @Bergi - see also: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/265433/…
    – Shog9
    Commented Jul 17, 2014 at 1:48
  • @Shog9: Sure, that's not what I meant to be done. Also I'd do it only when the answer was outdated, completely wrong, and still accepted on a popular question. This question might be a viable candidate, see my comments on the high-voted answers (one of which was fixed).
    – Bergi
    Commented Jul 17, 2014 at 1:59
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Many a times it happens that old answers are of no use anymore or incorrect answers are accepted by the user who asked the question. Some users care to correct their answers whereas some don't.

The best you can do over here is

  • Downvote the answer
  • Explain why the answer is incorrect with a comment or upvote comments which you feel are pointing the mistakes in the answer
  • Post a correct answer if you know

I would insist not to flag answers as Not an answer, as moderators tend to reject those flags because

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You should flag an answer only if one of the below reason is sufficed....

  • Thank you comment
  • Posting a different question as an answer on other question
  • Posting a comment as an answer
  • Replying to an answer by posting another answer
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  • This is so funny how completely the same questions get fate. I asked the same question meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/256711/… and it was closed right away. Also your approach sounds strange to me: SO has a goal of providing good quality answers to programming questions (at least this is my understanding of the goal). And here it looks like people with correct answers have to go through a lot of problems to get rid of the wrong answer. If the answer is wrong, why not to remove it? Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 23:36
  • It sounds rediculous that out of big amount of SO moderators we can not find an expert who can tell "wow this does not make any sense/outdated/wrong". Lets remove it to reduce confusion for further readers. Instead of it community has just to wait for months so that correct answer will get more upvotes. Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 23:37
  • With regard to the last point, if someone posts an answer which is almost complete, but leaves out some important information, is there anything wrong with saying "Mr. Smith's answer will work reliably to create some kinds of objects, but it may randomly fail if used to create a Fizglub. If you need to create a Fizglub, then it will be necessary to Woogle the Fnorble first as shown below." If Mr. Smith already stated 90% of what a reader would need to know, there's no point in repeating it; on the other hand, the remaining material may be more "answer" than "comment".
    – supercat
    Commented Nov 24, 2014 at 22:32
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The answer is simple. Treat it the exact same way that you would treat a brand new answer with no votes at all. Downvote if you think it's wrong, and flag it if you think it's not an answer or otherwise flaggable, just like you would were it new.

And if the answer remains upvoted, and you can't convince a moderator to remove it, then you're just going to have to live with the fact that you're not the sole decider of correctness around here, and that more people disagree with you about the answer than agree with you.

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    The real problem is that older answers gained a lot more attention than is generally the case now. It takes a very long time for the surge of interest in an old answer to be overcome by newer answers. When the accepted answer is incorrect, or only correct under narrow circumstances, that is bad for the community overall.
    – Eric J.
    Commented Jul 14, 2014 at 21:41
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    @EricJ. Maybe the answer isn't quite so objectively incorrect as you believe it to be, especially considering that some of the comments under it actually say that it worked for them. Commented Jul 14, 2014 at 22:35
  • Don't flag it. The flag will likely get declined. Downvote it and add a comment that it is no longer accurate. Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 13:23
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    @staticx I did not just say to flag it. I sad "flag it if...". I was trying to write an answer for the abstract. It wouldn't be appropriate to flag the specific example in the OP, but sometimes it is appropriate to flag. Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 16:23
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We could maybe have an additional sorting mode that weighs votes with the time that has passed since casting the vote, effectively overweighing newer votes. This might increase the significance of the score in all cases where newer evaluation are more likely to give a better opinion.

Alternatively one could additionally display a trend (little arrows or timelines) that give a hint about slope of the score lately.

Otherwise I trust in SO self correction abilities.

What basis is there for expecting newer votes to be significantly more useful than older votes?

The basis is twofold:

  • For questions that depend on technology development (different solutions for different version, newer paradigms, more efficient algorithms, better tools and software) like web technologies over time the notion what the best answer is will shift. This is especially true for some answers but not for all.
  • With more answers being posted or answers getting edited and improved the notion of what the best answer is can change. This applies to all answers.
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  • What basis is there for expecting newer votes to be significantly more useful than older votes?
    – Air
    Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 15:30
  • @AirThomas Very good question which should have been included earlier. There are two reasons. I added them to the answer. Commented Jul 15, 2014 at 18:06

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