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Not based on any post or edit in particular.

A lot of bad posts have lesser issues that can be corrected with editing, such as grammar, poorly worded titles, poor tagging and lack of code formatting. Hence, there are also lots of edits that fix these issues. They are mostly obvious improvements to the posts, but no amount of grammar clean-up can save a post that's off-topic or very unclear.

I can sort of see the point of fixing the post as much as possible, but it's still ultimately unproductive as the posts are going to get closed/deleted soon anyway. I believe encouraging users to focus on posts that can be helped would be a better idea. In addition, as far as I know edits bump posts, which isn't exactly what I'd want to do with a poor post. Which leaves us with the question...

Should grammar, formatting and similar edits to clearly unsalvageable posts be accepted or rejected when reviewing?

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    It would be really confusing to reject a good edit and I see no improvement to do so. And if a new user for instance at least learns to format the next question properly, something was accomplished.
    – juergen d
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:20
  • @juergend, I think I listed the benefits in my question: it discourages people from wasting their time editing posts beyond our help and doesn't bump posts that just should be closed.
    – kviiri
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:22
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    Speaking of bumping - most edits to poor questions are made the minute they are posted.
    – juergen d
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:23
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    If the post is not salvageable I typically reject with a custom message saying that the post should be closed.
    – codeMagic
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:25
  • But when the post gets deleted, the editor looses his rep. Don't you think that this is enough of a deterrent?
    – user000001
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:26
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    The very definition of an unsalvageable post means that good edits to such a post are at worst impossible, and at best pointless.
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:27
  • Related
    – codeMagic
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:27
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    On Meta.SE: Is "don't polish turds" a valid edit rejection reason? The terminology comes from meta.stackexchange.com/a/77683
    – jscs
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:29
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    I'll often edit a post to be able to read it (poor code formatting) - when I've done that I'll still save it even if it's then apparent it's not a useful question - if nothing else it makes evaluating whether to VTC faster/easier for others. If I didn't have the rep I'd still do so, as there's no guidance not to (e.g. a warning: this post has 3 close votes. Are you about to waste your time?)
    – AD7six
    Commented May 25, 2014 at 8:56

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You'd be amazed at how many posts can be salvaged, if someone cares enough to re-write them almost entirely.

Of course, most folks don't want to do that. But sometimes several editors can muster the effort between them. If they want to give it a shot, and their efforts aren't without some benefit to the post, then might as well let them...

Note that if they fail and the post is deleted, credit for the edits gets deleted with it.

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    Now, the fundamental question: is it worth even trying? Popular answer: no.
    – Braiam
    Commented Jan 21, 2015 at 4:21
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    Well, that's a personal decision. I'd encourage folks to spend time on areas where it'll do the most good, but to each their own.
    – Shog9
    Commented Jan 21, 2015 at 4:26
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I think an edit should be judged on its own merit. Did it improve the post? If it did, it should be approved. Seeing other people correctly edit your questions (and even answers) serve as a good lesson in how to write Q&As here.

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    Not every edit that improves the post should be approved. Too minor edits are a valid reason to reject.
    – kviiri
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:26
  • @kviiri Minor edits don't really improve the post, or we wouldn't reject such edits.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:28
  • What do you mean "don't really improve"? I think fixing any typo, for example, improves a post, but it's still a too minor edit if it neglects fixing other flaws in the post such as unformatted code.
    – kviiri
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:29
  • meta.stackoverflow.com/a/253331/3198973
    – RubberDuck
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:33
  • Well yeah, that's exactly my point. We don't want edits, even ones that improve posts, that still leave behind huge flaws. Which is exactly why I'm asking this.
    – kviiri
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:39
  • I would argue that an edit that leaves behind huge issues does not improve the post. We're arguing semantics here @kviiri.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 18:55
  • So you mean unsalvageable posts shouldn't be edited as they can't be improved to meet the site's standards?
    – kviiri
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 19:03
  • No. I mean judge the edit based on its own merit.
    – RubberDuck
    Commented May 24, 2014 at 19:06

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