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I get a lot of comments on my answers that are similar to the above listed. There have been other posts trying to address the issue from different angles.

It shouldn't be too hard to detect these kinds of words and suggest to new users that they have the option to upvote or accept the answer if they haven't already.

Could we potentially tokenize words in comments from newer users and provide a pop-up instructing them on how to show their gratitude?

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    This seems like a double-edged sword. On the one hand, upvoting content is important. On the other hand, for every one person who says "thanks", two others typically would upvote. Not sure I see the benefit to a warning system like this as much as I did once in the past.
    – Makoto
    Commented Nov 21, 2018 at 17:13
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    Well, to say that Stack Overflow is not a rewards based volunteer system would just be ridiculous. There are badges and reputation and all kinds of stats. That being said, it makes me less likely to keep on answering if I spend 3-5 minutes answering a specific uncommonly asked question just to get "thanks".
    – Conner
    Commented Nov 21, 2018 at 17:17
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    @Makoto But how would you even know it's "that type" of question, until after you answer it and receive the response? Commented Nov 21, 2018 at 17:58
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    @Makoto it's the uncommon or unique questions that I find benefit from on this site. If it's commonly asked and everyone knows it then its probably not very helpful
    – Conner
    Commented Nov 21, 2018 at 18:19
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    Comments like these, you mean? Commented Nov 21, 2018 at 19:37
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    Don't see why we need this. It seems perfectly appropriate for you to respond in a comment pointing out that the way to thank you for your answer is to upvote, accept, whatever the user is allowed to do. New users cannot upvote but the big blank checkmark is often invisible to their newbie eyes. Nothing wrong with teaching them how to use the site. And as you rightly say, reputation is the coin of the realm; it's good for both parties. Plus acceptance closes out the question, as it were. Some object to such comments but I always delete mine after a short time so no harm done in my opinion.
    – matt
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 2:01
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    I vote for a CreditCard payment system, where users show their gratitude in monetary rewards. True story
    – TheGeneral
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 2:26
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    @TheGeneral Heh, just like a "Buy me a beer" link. (Or coffee for some). Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 2:40
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    @FunkFortyNiner i like your mind, default beer
    – TheGeneral
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 2:40
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    Reddit does the "I see you thanked someone... " bot responses, like reddit.com/r/whatisthisthing/comments/9z4f1h/…
    – Andrew
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 8:51
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    Heh, some new users show their gratitude by simply deleting their question once they get their answer. Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 8:51
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    It is not a bad idea... just as long as it is phrased in such a way that people don't start to think the content rating system is a reward and punishment system. There are already too many angry posts on meta about being "punished with downvotes", we have to be careful not to misinform people on a larger scale with these kind of suggestion boxes.
    – Gimby
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 9:59
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    Is this really a problem?
    – klutt
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 18:25
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    @K.Dᴀᴠɪs Thats too much "feel" in the blanks :'( Y Dey du dis, I cri eyeritym Commented Nov 23, 2018 at 0:15
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    It is about the one kind of comment I never dislike seeing. It has actual useful feedback, proves that the OP actually tested it. They almost never post "Ugh, looks good but I decided to not do this". Commented Nov 23, 2018 at 10:13

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Could we potentially tokenize words in comments from newer users

TL;DR This could not only be done; this is already done, but only rolled out to comment flagging. And I agree with you, this should also be rolled out to comment writing!

When I flag a comment as "no longer needed", it disappears instantly when it contains certain gratitude keywords ("+1", "thanks", etc.) (or starts with them, or something; haven't figured out the exact pattern), whereas it goes to (mod?) review when it doesn't contain those keywords.

Exhibit A: Here's me flagging a comment starting with +1. The comment then vanishes instantly.

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So, evidently, the machinery is already there. And it's there because of an already existing perception (with which I agree) that these comments have no lasting value.

I agree with you that we should deal with the problem at the source i.e. at the time of writing the comment, rather than requiring later flagging to deal with it. Low- and no-value content shouldn't be left lying around pointlessly for any length of time, and those writing them shouldn't be left to move on without haveing received some sort of feedback about this.

and provide a pop-up instructing them on how to show their gratitude?

This would be a constructive way forward!

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    More than the issue of leaving comments lying around (which I still don't see as a big problem) there's no education for the commenter if the comment is just silently flagged away. Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 18:11
  • So if a comment has "thanks" or "+1" in it somewhere someone can just single-handedly wipe it with a flag? Somewhat concerning if you ask me.
    – SeinopSys
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 22:46
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    @SeinopSys yet another reason to warn people not to put such words in a comment. If it is not crucial to the comment it should not be included. If it is crucial to the comment then the comment is a thank you comment and should not be posted.
    – user4639281
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 22:51
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    So if I mark a comment as not needed and it contains just "+1" then it goes away, but it doesn't go away automatically? Well, that's what software is all for, ain't it?
    – user5306470
    Commented Nov 23, 2018 at 6:03
  • @LightnessRacesinOrbit I detest clutter. Superfluous comments take up real estate and push following answers further down and out of view. So for me, it's both. Commented Nov 23, 2018 at 7:41
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    @SeinopSys Why is that concerning? I'd be more concerned if we weren't allowed to sweep up litter. I'm not sure what the exact algorithm is, but it works fine: in my experience, only those very obviously superfluous comments can get wiped out in that way, while others still go to review. Commented Nov 23, 2018 at 7:45
  • @DaniSpringer The human review element is key to this whole enterprise Commented Nov 23, 2018 at 10:27
  • Doesn't appear to be true. I just tested it on Ain't that right! +1 Thanks << because it's meta, and it's still there.
    – OrangeDog
    Commented Nov 23, 2018 at 16:20
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    @SeinopSys Not in all cases; only if the comment is below a certain length threshold, has no code tagging, and typically beings with "+1" or "thanks". Neither of the two comments in this screenshot auto-delete when I flag them, for example, but they both contain +1/thanks.
    – TylerH
    Commented Nov 24, 2018 at 4:17
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    cc @DaniSpringer ^
    – TylerH
    Commented Nov 24, 2018 at 4:17
  • @OrangeDog Oh, it's true. Try on a large enough sample of comments, and you'll see what I mean. Though admittedly: 1) I haven't tried it on meta, so don't know it it works here. 2) Haven't figured out the exact pattern. Maybe it's when the comment starts with one of those words, maybe something else, I'm not sure. Commented Nov 25, 2018 at 15:27
  • @OrangeDog Added some evidence for your viewing pleasure. Commented Dec 4, 2018 at 8:07
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I, as a new user, felt very identified with this post , as I was totally unaware that we had the option to upvote or accept the answer...

It would be great for the new users to get a pop-up instructing/reminding us on how to show our gratitude...

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    I see you have not taken the tour. When you created your account you've got a notification inviting you to take the tour and learn about the site. You should take it.
    – yivi
    Commented Nov 21, 2018 at 19:31
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    True. In the rush to formulate my first question, I didn`t take the tour...Thanks to your message and the provided link to it, I was able to do it just now...Thanks again!!! Commented Nov 21, 2018 at 19:39
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    Nobody takes a tour (or read manuals ...). That is a fact of life and if possible, the workflow should still try to help the users to work as smoothly as possible.
    – Suma
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 6:45
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    @Suma all the people with the badge did it ;), but arguably they did it for the badge. (I confess!)
    – Mixxiphoid
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 8:57
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    @Suma That's wrong and can be insulting to users who do read manuals...
    – user202729
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 16:42
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    @User202729 I'm a nobody and proud of it!
    – Davy M
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 18:49
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    @Mixxiphoid Or they have just scrolled down through the text to get the badge? (I admit of being guilty of that).
    – Suma
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 18:56
  • @Suma but you don't have to re-read the (same!) tour on each new section of StackExchange to get the badge, so I suppose it's not something to be ashamed of :)
    – Ruslan
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 19:51
  • Info: Currently a notification item is shown in the reputation tab to link to the upvote help page when the privilege is obtained. --- Definitely not "instrusive" enough.
    – user202729
    Commented Nov 23, 2018 at 1:09
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    There is a tour? What are the winter hours?
    – user5306470
    Commented Nov 23, 2018 at 6:02
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    @JoséLuisMartínez Didn't you get a huge banner (called a 'hero') telling you to take the tour when you joined? Admittedly, we can't expect everyone to click the link, but... for those complaining/asking for guidance that also just hide the guidance given to them, how else/additionally should the site guide them?
    – TylerH
    Commented Nov 24, 2018 at 4:16
  • @TylerH If I didn't click it, may be the "hero" banner wasn't as huge as you think it is...Honestly: I don't recall having getting it now... However, thanks to yivi 's kind message I realized there was a tour and took it😃. That's why I agreed with Conner suggestion that getting a pop-up instructing/reminding us on how to show our gratitude would be a fantastic improvement to this site!!! Commented Nov 24, 2018 at 5:42
  • @user202729 "That's wrong and can be insulting to users who do read manuals... " Correct, in that anything can be insulting to someone.
    – Rob Grant
    Commented Nov 24, 2018 at 9:09
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"Thanks" is often used as part of comment followed by something more useful. I say thanks, but ... sometimes ;)

The identification should be more "smart" (machine learning?).

Maybe a better idea would be to let other users to flag comment as "thanksful"? This flag shouldn't go to moderator, but processed automatically. E.g. show the poster a message

You have posted a thanful comment [link], consider to delete your comment and upvote [question/answer] instead.

The comment can be even deleted automatically (obviously without upvoting anything) if 5 users used this flag.


Another thing are those chatty responses You are welcome!, which I see very often. They are nice (be nice) and absolutely useless. If we do something to "thanks" it might be a good idea to do something to those, e.g. detect them and show a hint to a poster, that he can flag comment as "thankful" instead of responding.

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    Jean-François Corbett claims that your suggestion is already implemented; flag the "thanks!" as "no longer needed"
    – MSalters
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 15:10
  • That is my claim indeed! Arrived at empirically, mind you, and not from any knowledge of SO's backend. Commented Nov 23, 2018 at 7:48
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While under the site "rules" I can understand the suggestion, I'm not sure it's a good idea, for a number of reasons.

  1. As someone mentioned in comments, these terms could be used in a way leading into further discussion ("Thanks, that helps, but..."). We see enough annoying messages repeatedly - no need for yet another.

  2. Flashing additional messages to new users, especially ones telling them their social skills are unwelcome, may make them feel unwelcome or unsure. I've had good experience with replying to this kind of thing with a "you're welcome. Since you're new to the site..." And when a vote or response comes through I go back and delete the comment exchange.

  3. On a personal level, getting a "Thank you" once in a while with some additional information makes me feel good - despite the site rules. Perhaps it comes from working in low traffic tags where 50% or so never respond in any way: once in a while it's nice to know that the effort put in is appreciated and the person can be bothered to take the time to express it.

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I see @planetmaker's point on commenting something about how specifically an answer helped you, but also @Conner's one: people often make a bad use of the platform and end up writing useless things from a pragmatic point of view.

Given that, I support the idea of detecting those tokens and displaying a banner or something indicating the right way of showing gratitude.

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I agree completely with this suggestion. I think the key is in:

It shouldn't be too hard to detect these kinds of words and suggest to new users that they have the option to upvote or accept the answer if they haven't already.

It doesn't mean that we have to delete or block those comments, because maybe there is a valueable message after the thanks, but it would certainly be a good moment to pop up a brightly colored box below the comment field saying something like

"If this answer helped you, upvote it, and consider accepting it"

.. with the appropriate links for explanation. This doesn't have to be limited to new users, I think, and it doesn't mean that the comment itself is blocked.

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It's detrimental to block comments. Reminder to use voting ... not sure:

Completely new users are already barred from using comments, so we see answers in the way of 'thank you'. The voting system with acceptance of answers is pretty obvious - and there's always the option to tell people to use that when you have the feeling that they "only" say 'thank you' in response to a nice answer which helps them.

However, a 'thank you' comment is more effort than an upvote click or an 'accept answer' click. So in essence a user went to more length to say 'thank you' in a comment than by a mere upvote and acceptance.

That said, I frequently use comments in addition to an upvote and acceptence to comment on how exactly an answer helped me or what had to be done or considered additionally to the given answer in order to solve my problem.

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    Completely new users are already barred from using comments With one very, very important exception, especially for the question here: not when it's their post. New users can comment on their own question and answers thereon.
    – Adriaan
    Commented Nov 22, 2018 at 17:10
  • "However, a 'thank you' comment is more effort than an upvote click or an 'accept answer' click." - maybe so, but it is the difference between a second and a few seconds of effort. In other words: its all the same, almost no effort.
    – Gimby
    Commented Nov 23, 2018 at 8:26
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    Useful comments may get buried in such kind of comments. I also find it distracting when I am trying to learn from the post with aids from the comments. A user will look at the comments for additional aid, and the upvote count to see how many people agree with this. Use the right tools for the right purpose, it will help the reader to focus better. Commented Nov 23, 2018 at 10:25
  • It may be marginally more effort to say "thank you" than to click an upvote, but I can tell you right now that as long as Stack Overflow gives out reputation and privileges for upvotes and not for comments, I will always prefer upvotes. I bet most other users will, too. Not even considering the fact that that's the intended method for thanking within the system and that it helps keep the site/page clean.
    – TylerH
    Commented Nov 24, 2018 at 4:21
  • Sure, it helps keep the page "clean". "Thank you" is such a dirty word.
    – Alain Reve
    Commented Aug 21, 2022 at 6:58
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I do both. I up vote, check answers which solve my problem AND say "thank you" to those who helped me. I think it's important. My parents taught me that it was important, I'm teaching my kids that it is important. We're humans, not robots. If a popup tells me not to say it, I'll ignore it. If an automated system stops me from saying it, I'll find another way of saying it.

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    It's important to show gratitude in appropriate contexts. But I'm sure if you were writing a Wikipedia article and someone made a helpful edit, you would not add a message of thanks to the article itself, for example. Clearly there are some contexts where it is not correct to write a "thank you", even though in general it is good to show gratitude. People mainly come to Stack Overflow looking for an already-existing Q&A that solves their problem, not to create a new one, so it helps the vast majority of users if the Q&A pages don't contain information-less comments they don't need to see.
    – kaya3
    Commented Aug 20, 2022 at 19:44
  • Very good point. But Wikipedia articles take on the form of one single page, even if several people contributed to them. SO pages start a bit like that, but then they take on the form of a discussion. "Thank you" takes less than 1/10th of a second to read and is not information-less. To whom did the poster say "thank you"? If the poster thanked several people, it means that several answers contributed to solving his problem. You can only mark ONE answer as being the solution, but sometimes you find the solution by combining information given in several answers.
    – Alain Reve
    Commented Aug 21, 2022 at 6:50

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