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First some quick background:

A few weeks ago I was working with VS Code and noticed they had created an issue template such that any Questions that would otherwise have been asked in their GitHub repo were redirected to Stack Overflow with their tag. See their new issue selection here: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/new/choose which links here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/visual-studio-code

Last week, I had just finished answering and closing a bunch of questions on my relatively popular Clean Architecture repo and I decided to follow suit, as seen here: https://github.com/ardalis/CleanArchitecture/issues/new/choose linking here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/ardalis-cleanarchitecture

I then took one of the FAQ questions for the project (very simple how to install the template), used the above tag, and self-answered it:

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Sometime later, I got an email, saying:

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This email did not say that my question had been deleted nor did it suggest the need for any action on my part. I did not receive any notification at all that my question was removed. The email comes across as a friendly "FYI, take care you don't step over the line when it comes to self-promotion" which is great, except that apparently, it was misleading since actions were already taken in this case (deleting the question).

I sent an email to the moderation team asking for clarification, explaining that my use of the new tag was directly following the example set by VS Code (another open-source free tool). Days later I got an email that didn't answer my question and instead said to post something here, so I am, and I fully expect someone to moderate this message because it's duplicate, too specific, or whatever. (But if that's the case hey you folks had your chance when I emailed you directly.)

Note: Nowhere in the deleted question does it say why the questions were deleted nor was there any communication to me through other means (email, SO inbox, etc.) advising me of the action that was taken, why it was taken, or what I should correct (apart from the vague email referenced above, which I did a review but assumed since no other communication came in that I hadn't breached any policy since it didn't say I had or that any action had been taken).

How should Stack Overflow improve its response to questions moderators delete because they are considered too self-promotional?

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    We can't access that link though, so you're better off posting a link directly to the question and screenshoting it (for non-10K users).
    – Thom A
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 13:37
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    Regarding your first question: Send notification when question is closed or deleted (status declined). Regarding your second question: Only the standards of Stack Overflow matter (that's also why "... explaining that my use of the new tag was directly following the example set by VS Code (another open source free tool)." is irrelevant). Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 13:47
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    [1/2] It's a difference whether you as the author post a question on SO (and do not state that this is your product) or if you send people with questions about your project to SO. It also makes a difference whether there is already a community on SO for that topic or if you (as a product owner) create that tag. Noone stated that you can't send people to SO to ask question (though it might not be a good idead). The moderator just stated that it's not ok to ask questions about your own product without stating your affiliation.
    – BDL
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 13:49
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    For 10k users: stackoverflow.com/questions/67140565/… stackoverflow.com/questions/67110664/…
    – BoltClock Mod
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 13:52
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    Honestly, the biggest problem seems to be that you are linking to the project in the question as well; they aren't actually needed and that does make your questions/answers look like stealth advertisements. If those links weren't there, I suspect that the questions/answers would not have been deleted.
    – Thom A
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 13:56
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    Per @BoltClock the first one is the one under discussion (thanks), about CleanArchitecture.
    – ssmith
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 13:56
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    Now that I see the question: Looks like offtopic for beeing a request for a off-site resource (a nugget package).
    – BDL
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 14:02
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    Not at all, @ssmith . Many of the tag wiki's link to the vendor's official website as that where you'll find documentation, update downloads, FAQs, etc.
    – Thom A
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 14:12
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    @ssmith: Linking to the product website from a tag wiki should be fine, but I personally would wait until there is a real question in that tag. Atm, the two of you seem to be the only one. The tag wouldn't even exist without your questions.
    – BDL
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 14:15
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    per my understanding, general expectation is that you are going to apply moderator guidance in new posts and referring deleted old ones from this perspective looks unnecessary. I'd say more, it is slippery from this angle: since they can't tell whether you are interested in digging out old posts or not, linking them carries a risk of negative reaction, "hey I wanted to start smarter, all new and bury old painful mistakes, why do you put salt in my wounds by pestering me with links to these"
    – gnat
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 14:32
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    I don't think you realize that hundreds of questions a month get deleted. Three users with enough rep for that vote privilege can delete one with zero moderator involvement, after it has been closed by three votes. Seems like you think your case is special when in reality it is a normal daily occurrence across the network. If something is missing in your activity logs in profile then perhaps that issue needs to be raised
    – charlietfl
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 17:42
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    @ssmith - believe it, we actually get your frustration, far from everything on SO is without flaw. It also had (I am not sure if you followed the news) a fairly recent moderator and curator exodus following the forming rift between SE and the community. Finally, the model obviously did not scale well - the number of active curators/mods is in decline, but the number of low-quality posts is rising. With little to no effort from SE. So when you take to meta with a semi-rant about the experience you had, it is mostly met with explanations of what you did wrong and not much else. Besides [1/2]
    – 0Valt
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 18:03
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    [2/2], given the huge pile of feature requests stuck in limbo for years, not many are willing to spend time discussing improvements that will be implemented in 10 years' time (or, more likely, never). Not that I don't think we shouldn't try, but chances are slim at best (in your case they are even worse since the request was declined before). You can still make a feature request post here on MSE about the deletion notifications - but please, make sure the post is level-headed and explains well why should dev time be allocated to it.
    – 0Valt
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 18:09
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    @charlietfl Just FYI: You're dramatically low in saying "hundreds of questions a month get deleted" (but correct :) ). The number of questions deleted per month is in the high tens of thousands.There are about 8.5M deleted questions on SO, which makes for an average of about 56,000 questions deleted each month since 2008-09-15. Obviously, that number has varied quite a bit over the years. A very quick look indicates the current number of questions which are deleted each month in more recent years to be between about 70,000 and 100,000 per month, depending on the month and year.
    – Makyen Mod
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 20:43

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Firstly, the email you got and the community curation process are not tightly coupled. There is no "email first, curate later" policy. Also, regardless of the popularity of the project/tool/product, you are (as we all are) expected to acquaint yourself with the community guidelines on when it is fine to use SO as a support channel.


Secondly, it is considered common courtesy (actually, this is an understatement: it is more of a requirement) to avoid artificially creating tags for projects (open-source or not) or products. Citing the FAQ:

There have to be some existing questions about your product on the site

If no one unaffiliated asks questions about your project on SO, chances are it is premature to consider SO your support channel. If you search for questions about the project (and not the Clean Architecture itself), you will find only 4 of them (at the time of this writing) with only 1 directly related.


Finally, a small comment on the following:

so I am, and I fully expect someone to moderate this message because it's duplicate, too specific, or whatever.

Note that by posting on Meta, you are asking the community to weigh in, not only the moderators. Adding slightly veiled confrontational language usually results in posts not being well-met. If the question already has answers elsewhere, it will be rightfully closed against the duplicate target.


The following question was present in the original revision and came up several times in comments:

Should users be notified via email and/or in their profile somehow when one of their questions is deleted?

I would say they should (as an opt-in preference probably, plus there is a huge pile of potential issues to discuss), but the feature was declined before (see Jeanne Dark's comment) or left unnoticed when it resurfaced (see this MSE post or this one).

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  • Thanks, Oleg. Good info. To be fair this is all a comment on my question, not an answer to it.
    – ssmith
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 14:26
  • @ssmith - comments are severely character limited and have limited formatting options, so any extensive response to questions can only live in an answer properly, unfortunately. Anyways, it wasn't my intention to address the "improvement of response" part - wanted to respond to some of the points you made in the question itself.
    – 0Valt
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 14:30
  • Also thanks for the link to the question that is directly related - I'd actually not seen it before now (which is part of why I'd like a tag I can follow so I can help folks more quickly). Cheers.
    – ssmith
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 14:30
  • Oleg - I know, your "answer" works well to present the detailed comments you had. I kind of wish there were a way to say that an "answer" is really a "long comment" but there's only so much one can do. My only real concern is that your "answer" will get more upvotes than any actual proposed solution to the question/problem at hand (as is so far apparent).
    – ssmith
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 14:32
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    @ssmith - that really doesn't matter which one gets how many votes - you are requesting from the community something, that, frankly, is outside our control right now (literally). People here explained why the Q&A pair was deleted, linked you to the relevant FAQ items, provided responses to your concerns throughout the question. There is a separate process of asking for change: feature-request but as you already know, this particular one was declined before
    – 0Valt
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 14:39
  • yes this has been a helpful thread. My question isn't (and certainly wasn't before others edited it multiple times) "can you add this feature" but instead is "how might we improve this user experience". Such improvement might come from new features, or it could come from any number of other ideas. So far nobody but me has proposed any solutions, though, sadly.
    – ssmith
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 15:19
  • @ssmith [reposting due to link issues] FYI, about the deleted question: see Makoto's in the Q&A on questions about package managers, those are not usually very welcome on the site. Overall, I think you can still do what you originally intended, but use the question that is directly related to your project (the only one found mentioned in the answer) and start from there. The questions will naturally come in once users start using the new issue template
    – 0Valt
    Commented Apr 21, 2021 at 12:55
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    Giving that a shot... stackoverflow.com/tags/ardalis-cleanarchitecture/info
    – ssmith
    Commented Apr 21, 2021 at 14:35
  • @ssmith - I mopped up both the question and the answer a little. You can actually include the links, no one will blame you for that (certainly no need to remark on that, I removed it), there is a proper disclaimer. Without them, the answer just lacks additional usefulness it could get. The original answer did not contain any reference to the affiliation and that's what lead to the deletion (apart from the question not following the guidelines). Usually, if the post just contains mine or I created this is enough to avoid all issues with self-promotion.
    – 0Valt
    Commented Apr 21, 2021 at 14:43
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    I did fill in info and guidelines - are you not seeing them?
    – ssmith
    Commented Apr 21, 2021 at 15:02
  • @ssmith - ah, they are in the suggested edits review queue, sorry I missed the "pending edit" part. You should probably elaborate on the project in the wiki itself, but I think it will do for now (approved both - the wiki could be improved further, but that can be addressed in the natural course of things, need another reviewer to weigh in).
    – 0Valt
    Commented Apr 21, 2021 at 15:09
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Stack Overflow should provide users with a log of how their content has been modified by moderators somewhere in their profile, and potentially in their SO inbox.

The moderation team has come out against sending actual notifications to users whose content is deleted (see Send notification when question is closed or deleted), but this approach would not involve any outgoing notification. Instead, if users somehow uncover the fact that moderators have deleted their content, they can at least go to a single place in the web site to learn exactly what was done and why.

Naturally any actions presented to the user in this way should also include the rationale for the actions that were taken, and any links to policies, etc. used to justify the action.

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    Why are you posting multiple answers? Simply post one and answer the question there.
    – cigien
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 14:25
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    Because there are multiple possible solutions to this problem, and Stack Overflow has a voting mechanism people can use to vote up or down the solutions they think are best.
    – ssmith
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 14:27
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Note: the question in its current edited form is "How should Stack Overflow improve its response to questions moderators consider self promotion?"

Stack Overflow's current "response to questions moderators consider self promotion" is perfect and does not require improvement.

That process is to delete the question (and any associated answers). There might be an email letting a user know they might recently have posted something that appeared self-promotional, but as @Oleg noted in his answer that's unrelated to the community curation process.

Users are expected to know, understand, and remember all Stack Overflow policies that may relate to their question, in their current and most-recently updated form, before asking any question on the site.

Users are expected either to not care whether their recently posted content is available on the site or not, or if they do care, they are expected to discover the current status of their content by periodically polling the site looking for changes.

In short, if users find the current "response to questions moderators consider self promotion" to be frustrating or in need of improvement, the problem is with the user, not the process.

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    The snark is strong with this one... Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 16:50
  • If every suggestion to improve the process is downvoted, and the only upvoted answer is actually just a comment on the question, the status quo must as good as can be.
    – ssmith
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 16:57
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    Your question is marked [discussion], not [feature-request], so there is no expectation of answers being proposals. Your other answers seem to be written such that all of the work is done by others, with no responsibility resting on your shoulders. Generally, that goes over as well as snark does. Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 17:11
  • @HereticMonkey I certainly have a better understanding of the issues with my original question and I'm not questioning why it was deleted. That's clear, now, after this discussion. My question (the one edited above) now, though, is could there have been a better way for me to gain this understanding than what occurred in this case? Assuming, obviously, that I didn't know before I posted what I know now. If no better way exists (or is practical), so be it. I'll mark this as the answer.
    – ssmith
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 17:14
  • @ssmith FYI, marking a self-answer as accepted won’t do anything except put a green check on it. The answers will still be sorted by score. This one will appear below Oleg’s, so future visitors will see his at the top and interpret that as the canonical answer.
    – Dan Bron
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 17:26
  • @DanBron Thanks. I'm aware that's how it works. Diligent readers will also note that his answer is pretty much a comment, not an answer. Even more diligent readers will see Heretic Monkey's above comment that with a [discussion] tag there's apparently no expectation of actual answers so ¯_(ツ)_/¯. In any case as a closed not-really-duplicate question I don't expect there to be many readers after today anyway.
    – ssmith
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 17:35
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    @HereticMonkey regarding "your answers seem to be written such that all of the work is done by others", they're written to answer the question as stated in the title. If the only answer is to be a better user and follow the rules so your stuff isn't deleted and thus you won't miss notifications (that aren't sent) or need any explanation about why (that wasn't given except in this Q) then I must once more submit to you that this answer is that answer (considered snarky or not).
    – ssmith
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 17:45
  • @DanBron - depends on how people sort it, actually, the OP is free to accept anything they want so long as they think this is the most helpful answer to them. It also isn't true that the most upvoted is the canonical answer - it just means that more people agree with what's presented in it than disagree, that's all. I am not happy about how this discussion went, but the Q&A started on the wrong foot, so this is an expected course, frankly.
    – 0Valt
    Commented Apr 20, 2021 at 18:24
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Stack Overflow should notify authors of content when it is deleted by moderators. It should include the reason for the deletion with a link to the policy that was violated, if possible. If the emails are unwanted by the user, they should be able to adjust their notification settings.

The fact that this approach has been suggested and rejected in the past notwithstanding, it would have provided a better experience for the question author (me) in this example.

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