79

The site satisfaction survey has the question:

Should we add technical Q&A sites like Server Fault, Super User, and DevOps to Stack Overflow?

I find it very unclear what this means. It could be:

  1. Should we merge technical Q&A sites like Server Fault, Super User, and DevOps into Stack Overflow?
    • This would make more questions on-topic.
  2. Should we branch off additional technical Q&A sites like Server Fault, Super User, and DevOps from Stack Overflow?

    • This would make fewer questions on-topic.
  3. Should the Stack Exchange network add more technical Q&A sites like Server Fault, Super User, and DevOps?

    • This would not change the number of on-topic questions.

      These two interpretations have now been ruled out by staff member Yaakov Ellis ♦.

  4. Should we make technical Q&A sites like Server Fault, Super User, and DevOps into sub-sites of Stack Overflow?

I'd like to know what this question actually means, but this is also a bug report: Please clarify the survey's text. Screenshot of survey question

21
  • 25
    The bug is the feature, it is worded to get survey takers to vote "yes". Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 16:38
  • @HansPassant Except those that prefer status quo.
    – Adám
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 16:40
  • 11
    The 0.015%? Steam-roller. Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 16:46
  • Option #2 probably isn't correct because that's how it currently is. Should we <continue doing the same thing> isn't usually a question asked in surveys.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 16:49
  • 17
    Have I been living under a rock or something? Where is this survey you're talking about?
    – Makoto
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 16:53
  • 2
    It only gets offered on question pages (such as when you click to view a question) on SO. so... if you're not actively viewing question pages, you'll never get one.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 16:54
  • 3
    Not seeing it @KevinB. It might be an A/B test.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 16:55
  • 7
    it's the survey that's designed to omit meta regulars that aren't also SO regulars
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 17:00
  • 4
    @KevinB: I mean, hey - if Meta regulars aren't looking at SO questions all the time, then I could almost agree with that assessment...but I'm really not keen on conspiracy theories or any rumors or innuendo resulting from this. I would say we don't have enough information to extrapolate any meaning from a question like this, honestly.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 17:02
  • 1
    i mean, my statements aren't just pulling info out of thin air, this is info that was provided by an employee on "the loop" question.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 17:03
  • I was thinking a 4th interpretation... Moving said sites from .stackexchange.com or their own domain to .stackoverflow.com (for example, serverfault.stackoverflow.com,) which would of course be followed by adding teams/jobs functionality/ads to them. A... less tear down the walls kind of merging.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 20:41
  • @KevinB Wouldn't that fall under the general class of "1"? The exact details of merging (tags, sub-domains,…) are irrelevant.
    – Adám
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 20:45
  • 1
    @Adám No, merging those sites in the way suggested in #1 would mean getting rid of those sites and migrating all their users and questions over to SO. Just changing the domains would be... just changing the domains.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 20:46
  • 11
    Please keep comments on-topic; the meaning of the question, not our opinions about the individual possible meanings.
    – Adám
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 20:51
  • 1
    i definitely think that StackOver-flow is Over-crowded... I think that SQL questions should either go to dba.stackexchange OR have a separate site for SQL (possibly with PL/SQL, T-SQL, PL/pgSQL and similar) questions. There are ~ 120 SQL questions a day on SO, compared to ~ 20/day TOTAL on DBA.SE. IMNSHO, It would be much better to have a different site for SQL programming, be it DBA.SE or a specific SQL (and related) site. Same goes for C/C++? Java? Javascript? Filters help, but I'm for separate sites FWIW!
    – Vérace
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 9:26

2 Answers 2

16

I'm finally in-context to the question being posed in the survey. With that, I can answer this (but not address the "bug" portion of the original question).

The question is simply:

Should we add technical Q&A sites like Server Fault, Super User, and DevOps to Stack Overflow?

We're given three answers:

  • Yes
  • No
  • I'm not sure

and a box to elaborate on why we chose what we did.

The way I'm interpreting this question is that it's exploring what the users of Stack Overflow want to see on Stack Overflow, and if it would make sense to consolidate facets that Server Fault, Super User and DevOps cover on the one site. To be fair, there already is overlap - not much, but some.

The reaction I have to this question is fairly nonplussed. If a majority of users said they wanted this, does it really mean that Stack Exchange should push for it? If a majority of users said they didn't, would that mean that they wouldn't do it?

A network site - any network site - should have the autonomy to decide what kind of community it wants to build up. Coupling this with the The Loop, I would hope that this feedback gets an adequate amount of explanation and clarification for decision makers.

I'll admit though, I would not want to see these sites combined into one, if for no other reason than it feels like another synthetic attempt at creating value as opposed to exploiting the value already present on the site.

11
  • 2
    Maybe even edit your post to make it more clear what you're actually answering and either remove your own opinion (which would belong in a separate Meta discussion post) or mark it as a side note?
    – Adám
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 20:43
  • Given that we've already had an explosive reaction to what the actual question means or implies, I'm loath to isolate that.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 20:45
  • 1
    It sounds like a hint by the company that SO is no longer the only site whose community doesn't get to decide its own fate... apparently SF, SU, and DO look like too tasty of a morsel to not aggressively monetize. At least that's one outlook on it.
    – TylerH
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 20:48
  • @TylerH: That's quite pessimistic...there's a lot in that quick sentence that takes more to unpack than a comment field would allow me to, honestly.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 20:51
  • 17
    I always appreciate your thoughts and, more often than not, even agree with them. But in this case, the quoted question makes literally no sense as written, so all speculation about what it might mean is utterly pointless. There’s no real way this can be answered unless a staff member comes by to explain what was intended. I’m sharpening a stick.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 20:53
  • @CodyGray: Fair - I'm not attempting to interpret a meaning to the question, I'm only explaining how I'm reading and reacting to it. Only a staff member could truly disambiguate this, but at a minimum I'm identifying with one of the OP's perceived readings.
    – Makoto
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 21:00
  • I think it would also depend on the site. To me, SU seems the furthest away from SO (maybe arguably SF), whereas the others have a bit more overlap. It seems to reopen the debate on whether we really need separate vim/emacs/etc sites or if they can thrive under tags on a mega site (assuming the SO on-topic scope is broadened).
    – Troyen
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 21:01
  • 4
    @TylerH The pessimistic view is at least the other technical sites seem to have merit to SE. If they start merging in technical sites with SO, what about the non-technical sites? Most of those probably cost more to support than they bring in. I'd be more worried about their future.
    – Troyen
    Commented Jan 6, 2020 at 21:02
  • @CodyGray How would one attract the attention of staff to this matter? I don't see any "in need of staff intervention" flag…
    – Adám
    Commented Jan 7, 2020 at 22:25
  • 4
    @Adám They are already aware of this question, why they need so much time to respond, we can only guess... meta.stackexchange.com/questions/341721/…
    – Dalija Prasnikar Mod
    Commented Jan 8, 2020 at 14:30
  • 6
    @Adám There only way to get staff attention is the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of every page (in the footer). This page will allow you to send a message to the Community Managers (CMs), who are staff. But...their backlog is kinda long, so an immediate response is unlikely. In this case, I pinged an employee in a private channel (mod hacks), which is what I obtusely referred to above as "sharpening a stick" (as in, getting ready to poke someone about it). I got confirmation from said employee that he would make the appropriate party aware that an official answer is needed here.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jan 9, 2020 at 18:28
-57

It represents something of a merger to some degree of sites that up to now have been completely separate.

15
  • 20
    If you just wanted community input on what should be done, couldn't you have asked a more explicitly open-ended question like "What do you think the future relationship between SO and SU, etc. should be?" that makes it more clear to the question-answerer that you are looking for suggestions, rather than leaving everyone uncertain how to respond? Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 15:58
  • 2
    @DavisBroda yes, that would have been a different approach that we could have done. We chose to go with this approach.
    – Yaakov Ellis StaffMod
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 16:01
  • 10
    If you just wanted community input on what should be done, couldn't you have asked a more explicitly open-ended question on a Q&A website?Maybe somewhere with people carrying about the platform like meta.stackoverflow.com.
    – aloisdg
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 16:10
  • 21
    Open ended but answerable by only Yes/No/I'm not sure ? How could that be open ended if people can't share their insights ?
    – Tensibai
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 16:15
  • 3
    @aloisdg meta has a very very small degree of exposure in terms of users. We get much more representative responses from the survey, which is shown (sampled) to all users
    – Yaakov Ellis StaffMod
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 16:57
  • 11
    The answer options are Yes/No/I'm not sure. While there's a field to elaborate on one's answer, this field isn't mandatory. Can you explain what information you plan to glean from Yes and No answers when not elaborated upon, since, as explained in the OP, entirely opposite and contradictory interpretations are possible?
    – Adám
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 17:54
  • 6
    @adam thanks for the respectful and constructive tone of your question. I am not involved in writing the questions or analyzing responses. But I think that the idea is to just gauge the general reaction of survey takers to the idea of "adding technical qa sites to SO". However people interpret this, it represents something of a merger to some degree of sites that up into now are completely separate. If there are strong reactions one way or the other, it can help to inform discovery. This is not intended to solicit specific opinions over how it should take form.
    – Yaakov Ellis StaffMod
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 17:57
  • 15
    You comment's it represents something of a merger to some degree of sites that up into now are completely separate contradicts your answer post's We do not have a specific answer at this time as to how it should be interpreted, nor do we want to suggest one interpretation over another since one of the possible interpretations (number 3 in OP) is that no merging would happen whatsoever. I would appreciate some clarification here.
    – Adám
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 18:03
  • 1
    @adam you got me. I guess I overspoke. But #3 is not in the cards
    – Yaakov Ellis StaffMod
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 18:10
  • 8
    Good to know. Now, if you could please update the survey to clarify that the idea represents something of a merger to some degree of sites that up into now are completely separate.
    – Adám
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 18:12
  • 24
    Obviously most users won't fill out the explanation box (as is true with most surveys when not mandatory) & as you said, the question is confusing on purpose. This is just way for SE to make a change and say "60% of users wanted this! Thanks for your feedback!"
    – dustytrash
    Commented Jan 14, 2020 at 19:47
  • 10
    Thank you for answering. However... I am confused. If the question is open ended and up to interpretation, what are you going to do with the completely worthless results then? If you don't know what my answer means, then it's kinda pointless, isn't it?
    – nvoigt
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 9:58
  • 4
    Open-ended question + open-ended response + open-ended interpretation of response = ...... do you even know what you want? (By "you" I mean "StackOverflow / StackExchange" as a company, not you directly, Yaakov. Thank you for reply). Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 18:07
  • 8
    Respect is earned, not deserved. We do not thank you for an answer that makes absolutely no sense. Having a yes/no option at all contradicts the idea that this question was intended to be open ended. I don't know if you're just not privy to the information needed to answer this question or you're doing your best not to reveal any information (whether by instruction of your superiors or your own volition makes no difference), but this answer is not at all helpful. It is disrespectful to us that you insist we respect such an unbelievable answer.
    – jpmc26
    Commented Jan 16, 2020 at 20:33
  • The idea is imho very nice - unfortunately, what I can see about the company until now, I expect something what is worser as I could ever imagine. It is not your fault, I simply extrapolate what the company does since I know it. Do your best! Kohelet 9:10.
    – peterh
    Commented Feb 16, 2020 at 16:49

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .