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I've been told not to assume that a specific person downvoted my post just because they commented at the same time the downvote came in.

Why not?

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    Came here to downvote this question, but after reading it I guess I'll just leave this comment (which DOES NOT correlate with a down-vote).
    – Shog9
    Aug 20, 2019 at 16:40
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    Same reason my wife should not assume I'm cheating because I came back home 30 minutes late. Two activities are 100% unrelated to each other and linking them under assumption is introducing unnecessary conflict. (Disclaimer: my wife never assumed that way)
    – tweray
    Aug 20, 2019 at 17:03
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    Useful to take the opposite: Why shouldn't I assume I know that someone upvoted my post? Aug 21, 2019 at 8:04
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    An illusion of anonymity of votes (historically might've been so) is not true in 2022-Q2+ as the system started to demonstrate an automated ability to selectively remove DownVotes under some behavioural patterns.If the voting,namely the DownVoting,were indeed anonymized(as often claimed),the "behavioural patterns" would not been detectable (which fails to be true,these ARE being detected)+such explanatory texts(about such automated bad-habit detection)would become straight lies,which it ought be not,ought it be?The same applies to "accounting" of a cost of casted DownVote, again NOT anonymous Apr 1, 2022 at 1:31
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    @user3666197 - Voting has never been truly anonymous, nor has SE ever claimed it was AFAIK. It's functionally anonymous for everyone except SE employees. Only SE employees have access to voting information (even moderators don't have access to it), and even within SE I suspect it's restricted to the staff directly responsible for administering their voting fraud detection systems and dealing with voting fraud manually on the rare occasions that's called for. Apr 1, 2022 at 6:14
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    Unless the OP is attracting a buttload of traffic, the odds of a downvote and comment coming in at the same time is extremely low. Safe bet that it is the same person. Nov 25 at 21:11
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    @DominicCerisano - Not at all. SO is a very active place, at least in the tags I mostly participate in, and questions get multiple views within moments of being posted. It doesn't take many views for this to happen. I see it again and again within the first couple of minutes where I'm the commenter or the voter, but not both, but both happen -- with just a few views (we're talking even five or six). Nov 26 at 9:57
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    @T.J.Crowder your comment is anecdotal at best. We have not all managed to balloon to over a million "reputation" points on SO. For the vast majority of unpaid content providers on this site, traffic is not experienced at the inflated levels you are obviously entitled to. Congrats, btw. What is your secret? Nov 26 at 10:50
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    @DominicCerisano - My rep has nothing to do with the initial traffic on other people's questions I mentioned above. (Your comment is equally anecdotal, BTW.) I suggest we leave it there. Re rep: No secret, I've just been here a long time and answered a lot of questions. Nov 26 at 13:34
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    @T.J.Crowder My comment is entirely based on statisitical improbability of collisions between downvotes and comments on OPs from users with average RP. That is exactly the opposite of anecdotal. Your comment is based on your personal experience as a RP outlier (anecdotal). It is also offthread since it does not even mention collsions (just 'view' count which average users do not have access to). Also many (vast majority) people have been here a long time and answered many questions without obtaining 7 figure RP. Where are you getting SO view count data? Nov 26 at 21:06
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    @T.J.Crowder Again you are veering offthread. In context 'view count' refers to comments and collisions with downvotes. I did not say your opinion is invalid, I said it is anecdotal, which it is. It is you that has to either disprove the thesis that collisions between downvotes and comments on average OPs are improbable, by providing hard data that your opinion is not anecdotal but represents a common outcome. Until then, my thesis stands, and your opinion remains anecdotal, regardless of "RP". Because Science. Nov 27 at 22:56
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    @DominicCerisano - "In context 'view count' refers to comments and collisions with downvotes." A view count is a view count, the number of people viewing a question. In honest discourse, you can't just redefine a clear term and then claim I'm "veering offthread" for using the standard, obvious definition. "...just 'view' count which average users do not have access to..." Everyone has access to it. It's right there on top of the question, you don't even have to be signed in. Nov 28 at 7:40
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    @DominicCerisano there's no rep pumping here, given this is meta and no rep is involved. It's even a community wiki so there's no real "ownership" of the question or the answer.
    – Kevin B
    Nov 28 at 17:01
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    @DominicCerisano Again, real reputation would have a normal distribution Why so? Real world reps isn't normally distributed. Real world's money isn't normally distributed.
    – TheMaster
    2 days ago

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First, let's get this out of the way: Of course that's going to be your first instinct. It's only natural. But there are at least three reasons why making that assumption isn't useful:

  1. The assumption serves no positive purpose. It doesn't help you in any way to make this assumption. In fact, it can easily lead you into taking actions with negative outcomes, such as making a negative comment to the person you think downvoted the post, which in turn can make that person (and others) look negatively on your conduct, which can color their view of your post (rightly or wrongly, humans are like that). A sufficiently vigorous negative comment may get flagged as offensive, and a series of such flags can impact your ability to post comments in the future, or may result in a suspension from the site.

  2. Correlation is not causation. Just because X happens before Y, it doesn't mean X caused Y, and it doesn't mean that X and Y have the same cause. Stack Overflow is a very active place. Lots of eyeballs on the same posts, lots of fingers on mice hovering over the same vote buttons. So it's not at all surprising if a post gets a vote and a comment from two completely unconnected people. (And don't rely on that "Viewed one time" indicator; it isn't updated while you sit on the page, and updates to it can be lazy.) I know from long experience of posting comments when someone else downvotes (or downvoting when someone else comments) and seeing this reaction that it's often not the same person. Someone downvoting may specifically decide not to make a comment at the same time, to avoid being assumed to be the downvoter.

  3. It's a distraction from the question you should be asking. The real question shouldn't be "Why did X downvote my post?" but rather "Why did someone downvote my post?" which is effectively "What's wrong with my post?" (by SO's standards) which can be reformulated into "How can I improve my post?" Read the comment and decide if you think it's a valid critique. If it points you at a help page or similar, read the help page. Review the post with a critical eye to see if you can figure it out. If appropriate, post a comment asking what's wrong with it and/or how you can improve the post. (I've had good success with that when I've posted a duff answer. For whatever reason, two or three people will downvote, I'll fail to see why, ask, and someone will then helpfully point out what I've missed. The key is making the comment from the position of genuinely wanting to improve the post or understand why you should remove it, rather than a peeved way.)

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    For correlation != causation, I like to point to tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations :) Aug 20, 2019 at 18:36
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    @HereticMonkey - And of course, one of my faves: xkcd.com/552 Nov 30 at 9:28
  • 552 explained. Nov 30 at 15:17
  • Just because X happens before Y, it doesn't mean X caused Y, and it doesn't mean that X and Y have the same cause. It also doesn't mean X did not cause Y. Tobacco industry long used the claim correlation!= causation to deny Smoking caused cancer. Correlation does not necessarily imply causation. But the opposite is true as well: Correlation doesn't imply there's no causation. More often than not, we use correlation to imply causation, in the absence of direct evidence. Large verbose/confidently wrong posts are correlated with chatGPT(We do assume causation and take action).
    – TheMaster
    2 days ago

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