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Reading the results, and related to another discussion I found the results on Developers' perspectives by gender a bit confusing by the way it is represented, and perhaps by the way it was analysed.

It states that women used the words:

  • Condescending
  • Replies
  • Nicer
  • Rude
  • Dumb
  • Friendlier
  • A**holes
  • Thanks
  • Confusing
  • Knowing

about 3 to 5 times as much as men in the survey to refer to some part of Stack Overflow they want to see changed. This is a clear signal to me that there is something going on with the way women and man communicate differently.

For most of the terms, I can guesstimate the message of a sentence it was used in:

  • less Condescending replies
  • less condescending/rude Replies
  • be Nicer
  • be less Rude
  • Dumb
  • be more Friendlier
  • we want less A**holes
  • Thanks
  • Confusing
  • Knowing

Most of this makes perfect sense to me, and for some I can't really come up with a good example of a sentence right now. But I wonder what is up with the Thanks part? Is there anyone who can enlighten me; perhaps someone from the team? What is the context this "thanks" is used in?

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    Saying "Thanks" is frowned upon on SO as it's considered noise, I'm guessing they don't like that and want it to change
    – George
    Commented Apr 10, 2019 at 10:45
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    @George, that was one of my guesses too, but I'd love to have a more founded answer
    – Luuklag
    Commented Apr 10, 2019 at 11:08
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    Without further information, it might just as well be we want more a**holes, more condescending replies, etc. I find that the perspective thing says very, very little with how it's expressed there. Unless we have more context about how these words are used it's just a guess
    – Erik A
    Commented Apr 10, 2019 at 13:28
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    @ErikA that could, technically, be a possibility but I find it so unlikely that I assumed the opposite. However for some the plausibility of less/more is not so distinct hence I'd like some more detail behind this.
    – Luuklag
    Commented Apr 10, 2019 at 13:31
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    I've edited the question to clarify what the results are showing. That may make it a bit easier to understand what the survey is getting across. The way it was written in this question made it sound like women use those words during regular use, when in actuality they used those words in their survey responses to describe a change to SO they would like to see
    – TylerH
    Commented Apr 10, 2019 at 15:14

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I'm the data scientist who worked on the survey, and I can confirm what a commenter above suggested. Women were more likely to say one thing they would like to change about Stack Overflow is users being able to say thanks to each other.

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To clarify a bit about this graph, it shows words that are more and less likely to be used by different groups. For example, more men than women said Stack Overflow users should be able to say thanks but this graph is about relative use, not total frequency.

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    Thanks for the answer Julia. And hey, I said thanks. Lets wait for a "noize" flag ;)
    – Luuklag
    Commented Apr 10, 2019 at 16:01
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    Hi Julia, I applaud your work, but boiling 'Developers' Perspectives By Gender' down to single words was ambiguous and not actionable. Could you resummarize the items by sentence? e.g. "Allow question asker to say thanks to answerers [in comments?/ as a new feature?/ a feature that generate a private message, as on Quora?]", ditto what is the expanded summary for Condescending, Replies, Nicer, Dumb... As to "Allow question asker to say thanks to answerers", how do we convert that into an actionable change request, given it would generate a lot of comments, and SO policy discourages that?
    – smci
    Commented Apr 11, 2019 at 0:35
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    @smci The actionable point I take from this plot is that not everyone I interact with here on our site brings the same perceptions or priorities to it. As far as saying thanks, there aren't currently policy or product changes planned for how we say thanks, but we have used insight from the survey to guide changes before and personally I think it's something that could be on the table. Is there a way to let users express normal human reactions like thanks to each other in a way that doesn't distract other users with many noisy comments? Probably.
    – Julia Silge StaffMod
    Commented Apr 11, 2019 at 1:05
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    I wonder if this is actually due to inherent gender differences, or due to the fact that women are underrepresented on Stack Overflow and thus less familiar with our unique model than the male respondents. Do you see this same correlation when you control for experience with the site? In other words, do women who are experienced SO users still tend to express a greater desire to say “thanks” relative to men with comparable SO experience? (I know that might be hard to tease out because of limited sample sizes…)
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Apr 11, 2019 at 20:13
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    My personal opinion is that the upvote is the ultimate expression of "thanks". I think it's important to be mindful of all users of SO (including guests) whose primary reason for landing on a given page is for the answer. Even though saying "thanks" is nice, and we all appreciate hearing that word, it can become real noise (and perhaps frustrating) to someone reading the answer page for the first time. What would we think of Wikipedia or Quora, for example, if we saw "thanks" and "love it" after every paragraph?
    – RichS
    Commented Apr 11, 2019 at 22:11
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    @CodyGray While I generally disagree with the "let's redecorate for females" tendency this is one area where I believe I can shed some light. On the whole, as a group, women work more towards ensuring a harmonious environment (YMMV <g>). I don't know how much is genetic and how much comes from up-bringing. "Non-essential politeness" in society is actually essential for achieving this, whether we're consciously aware of it or not. Personally I see nothing wrong with newbies saying "Thanks" in a comment, and when they do I'll usually take a moment to delete it so that it dosn't clutter the site. Commented Apr 11, 2019 at 22:21
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    @CodyGray ...NOT using "Thanks" and other politnesses is a conscious decision by this community and goes against the grain of what humans have learned that they need in order to get along in large groups. That's OK, here, but needs to be learned. And it's not just women, BTW, who have problems with this, but also members of highly structured societies. Commented Apr 11, 2019 at 22:23
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    As a woman who said this, it's not that I'm inexperienced (and isn't it interesting how someone - a moderator, no less - assumed that the reason was "Women just aren't familiar with the site") but that I think the effect on newcomers of seeing their posts edited to remove basic courtesy is worse than the effect on the community of not having to see an occasional "Thanks." Better to let people learn by observation to see that it's not a community norm than to actively edit what people see as basic courtesy out of their posts, IMO. Commented Apr 12, 2019 at 16:30
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    @RichS I feel social gratification from helping people several times a day, when I'm notified that someone has upvoted my posts. It's a very good feeling, and we aren't cluttering the site for hundreds of other people who view the posts without upvoting. It's win-win-win! :) Commented Apr 12, 2019 at 16:36
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    As a long-time user of the site, I always got the impression that the "No Thanks" was more of a "The question should primarily concern the technical details, not the story of the person asking." It's not so much the "Thanks" being disliked as the "I've read everything I could, and tried a dozen different things, and I'm totally confused now! Any help would be appreciated!" closing paragraphs. But my perspective on this may be limited by my own experience. Commented Apr 12, 2019 at 16:49
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    @ConspicuousCompiler, I tried everything is essential information, as long as you state exactly what you tried and WHY something didn't work. If you state it in general like you did you probably just did a lousy job at googling.
    – Luuklag
    Commented Apr 12, 2019 at 17:12
  • In the Red/Blue/Green/Yellow model for personalities (there are several won't go into the various ones - popular in corporate settings to hone communication skills) Greens place a high priority on social interaction and recognition, and Reds place a high priority on brevity and efficiency in communication. I suspect woman are over proportionally Green, and men are over proportionately Red. StackOverflow has always been more Red oriented (and heavily Blue of course as well which is all about analysis).
    – Mike Wise
    Commented Apr 13, 2019 at 8:59
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    @MikeWise interesting point. Perhaps a good question for the next survey? Julia could you write this down already?
    – Luuklag
    Commented Apr 15, 2019 at 7:29

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