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This is closely related to Should duplicate finding give reputation?. However, it is missing an important use case. The use case is, a user moves against a question and proposes a duplicate. Then a gold badge closes the question as a duplicate of the proposed.

The gold badge holder should provide the necessary cross-checks to avoid some of the related problems, like incorrectly closing as a dup. A gold badge seems like he/she should contain some of the mob effect due to their subject matter expertise.

In this use case, finding a duplicate is the same as providing a correct answer. The person who finds the dup is rewarded instead of the fastest gun in the west.

It might also slow down the flood of experienced users answering questions that should be closed as dups. Instead of long time users promulgating bad practices, the experienced users might start leading by example.


Here is an example of one: Shell scripting not giving actual response. @CharlesDuffy provided the subject matter expertise and performed the close after @MarcinOrlowski performed the research.

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    i mean... i like the idea, but i don't expect it to have any effect on people answering dupes for rep. It's just so much easier to answer, and you get so much more rep for doing so.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Mar 28, 2018 at 18:48
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    Nothing deters the FGITW problem quite like downvotes do. If you're too late to find a duplicate and close a question before it's answered, you know what to do next...
    – cs95
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 4:39
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    What do you mean by "a user moves against a question"?
    – Bergi
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 6:11
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    You're saying that when a gold badge holder closes a question as a dupe of someone else's suggested duplicate target, that the someone else gets reputation? Or that the gold badge holder gets reputation?
    – TylerH
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 14:53
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    I've had a question where I was absolutely sure there was a dupe (just due to how common the problem had to be) and in the time it took me to find it, there was an answer, with multiple upvotes, accepted, and then the OP closed the question as my proposed dupe themselves (and yes, it was a good dupe, and the "new" answer was nothing new). Net result: I lost out on potential rep, but the question is now properly signposted as a dupe, which does improve the site because the dupe did have other answers. This sort of stuff doesn't keep me up at night, but it does look weird, and wrong. Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 15:05
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    In principle, agreed. Separately, SO search needs to improve. It's strange that you have to google to find the best SO answer instead of using the SO search function. The work required to find and cross-check a dup is definitely worthy of reward. I suggest a +2 to all voting for dup.
    – jpp
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 15:32
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    probably worth noting that much less risky and less effort consuming suggestion has been hanging ignored by SE team for several months now, despite being apparently popular: Could: “Possible duplicate of..” be given prominence for answering users? This means chances of getting even bigger changes like suggested here are unfortunately vanishingly small
    – gnat
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 15:58
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    As someone's who's trying to earn a gold badge but can't find (m)any questions that are answerable, I very much like this idea. I cast a lot more duplicate votes than I post answers. I dare say I've gotten quite good at it, too. I don't care much for reputation, but I'd very much like some progress toward the tag badge. Casting a lot of correct dupe votes is the best way to prove that you're ready to wield a hammer, isn't it? People should absolutey be rewarded with some progress toward the tag hammer for finding correct duplicates.
    – Aran-Fey
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 16:21
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    @cᴏʟᴅsᴘᴇᴇᴅ You know what to do next: downvote the answer so multiple others can disagree with the downvote and counter it by upvoting, giving the answerer much more reputation than they would've gotten had you done nothing. Alternatively, drop the score of the post from +10 to +9, that'll show them. Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 16:23
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    on a meta meta level, content creation and content curation is two different activities.
    – Will Ness
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 17:53
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    I would only support a feature like this if it can be confirmed that the target dupe has actually helped the user. For example, detect that OP has subsequently upvoted an answer on the target. It's important to only incentivize accurate closing.
    – wim
    Commented Mar 30, 2018 at 22:43

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Eeeeeek!

In this use case, finding a duplicate is the same as providing a correct answer.

Sure, if the duplicate is accurate. If you have one or two, you have a high probability of accurately finding a correct dupe. If you have five, then I genuinely don't believe you have a correct dupe at all. I strongly maintain that one who closes with five different reasons is just piling on.

You do touch on the main problem here, which is:

It might also slow down the flood of experienced users answering questions that should be closed as dups.

Searching for duplicates is a broken system. Absolutely no incentive to reward dupe finders will work reliably, fairly or accurately until this is fixed. As an experienced user, it is an order of magnitude faster to type the answer than it is to go off hunting for a nuanced and very well hidden dupe. That's not to say I wish to profit or proliferate this behavior; this is just how bad the system's gotten.

It's so bad I can't guarantee that even if I see an NPE question, when I type NPE that I'll get back the canonical NPE question for Java. It takes extra time and effort to actually locate it. Then there may be other unique types of NPEs; for example, if you get an NPE when you autowire a bean in Spring is not the same as your run-of-the-mill didn't-instantiate-an-object-and-now-I-wanna-dereference-it-NPE. Think the current search system's going to be able to detect that context? Well, it doesn't now.

No sense in rewarding anyone until the dupe-finding system is actually working.


What I mean by "working":

  • A way to validate the accuracy of the dupe (likely a review queue with audits)
  • A means to ensure that finding dupes isn't like finding a needle in a haystack
  • A way for the OP to engage with the dupe to say, "No really this actually did answer my question," and a way for the community to override them when they insist that their NPE question is different than every other NPE question just like it

Remember: we're not closing dupes because we're robots and that's what we should be doing. We're closing dupes in the service of the OP and others like them so that they can find reliable answers. If we're not keeping that in mind, we're wasting our time and energy.

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    I think you are conflating the problems of "finding the first duplicate" with "finding a duplicate". The request only asks for the second. It does not ask for the first. Overtime it would be nice to see a chain that builds a path back to the first duplicate. Interestingly, the "over time..." property is something the crowd posses. It is why wikis coverge on the right answer over time. Eventually the chain should emerge. (My apologies if I mis-parsed things).
    – jww
    Commented Mar 28, 2018 at 19:09
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    How is the dupe-finding system related here? | Side note: Stack Overflow search tools being bad is a known problem, we expect people to search on Google and add site:stackoverflow.com. (...)
    – user202729
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 4:28
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    I agreed search is...poor. However, for yourself, you can do quite a bit to make it easy to find the common dups. One way is to just use your browser's bookmarks to collect a bookmark-folder full of common duplicate targets for the flags you regularly use. Doing so makes it trivial to find the common dups for a tag, once you've found it the first time. Personally, I have several sub-folders full of duplicate-targets, one folder per tag.
    – Makyen Mod
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 4:29
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    About "close with five different targets"... the question may be too broad.
    – user202729
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 5:02
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    "... an order of magnitude faster..." Truth. I actually favorite questions for the sole purpose of using them as dupe targets, because if I didn't favorite them, I'd never find them. There are even answers that I know I wrote that I have trouble finding...
    – Barry
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 14:45
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    I'm not sure the reasoning here makes sense. This answer reads to me as, roughly, "finding duplicates is hard and requires significant time and effort, therefore it shouldn't be rewarded", which is... completely backwards? That it's hard and requires time and effort is a reason to reward it, surely?
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 14:47
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    @MarkAmery: So how do you validate that the answer was accurate, then? How do you ensure that even if a dupe is applied that it actually answers what question the OP was going for? There's lots of gung-ho closures out there which don't directly answer the question, which makes duplicate closures worse than they should be. Finding dupes alone is hard. Making sure they're actually useful is even harder. At a minimum, rewarding anyone for finding dupes should address both of these concerns in some way so that incentivization can be applied fairly.
    – Makoto
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 15:00
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    @Makoto isn't that exactly why OP proposes only rewarding users after a gold-badge holder hammers the question? We trust them enough to unilaterally close the question, so the assumption is that they're closing accurately.
    – mbrig
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 15:04
  • @mbrig: Yeah, no. Not when you have gold-badge users closing with four or five different dupes. Don't get me wrong, I like the motivation, but there's nothing in this suggestion to actually ensure that we're doing the right thing by the OP when we close their question.
    – Makoto
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 15:05
  • @Makoto FWIW, I agree with the entirety of your comment replying to me - but I think it presents a wholly different and orthogonal thesis to the one in your answer.
    – Mark Amery
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 15:06
  • @MarkAmery: It's another thought that popped into my head. Half-sardonically, I stated that "it's broken" in the same fashion that the OP suggested that we get rewarded, in that I didn't really elaborate what was broken in the same vein that the OP didn't explain how we'd be rewarded. I'll do us all a favor and update my answer explaining precisely how, and make my thesis less orthogonal.
    – Makoto
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 15:08
  • "It takes extra time and effort to actually locate it" I actually have it cached in the drop-down entries :D Agreed with the general thought though, especially the part about finding a dupe being harder to write a decent answer many times...
    – Mena
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 15:19
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    @NathanArthur: That barely addresses searchability. That's not a difficult query to author but then you run into the issues of dupe accuracy, which again is an issue; you're subject to how SO sees what you type in that text. To make things worse, there are dupes on dupes on dupes in there which create quite a rabbit hole of tough-to-find information on the matter.
    – Makoto
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 15:56
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    @NathanArthur: It's important to take a breath and take a step back and remember why dupe closure was changed to be its own kind of closure in the first place. We want to help the OP. We don't want them to feel like they're getting short-changed with this process. So, it's important to note that there's still work to be done even after we identify dupes in curating this information so that others can truly keep benefiting from it.
    – Makoto
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 16:11
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    for the sake of precision, stats provided here suggest that average difference is far from order of magnitude: "Median time to first close flag or vote: 7 minutes Median time to answer: 6 minutes"
    – gnat
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 16:51
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I like the idea but I think it's difficult to avoid the next problem:

The FFGITW closing problem

some non very ethical gold badge owners (I know a few...) would close as fast as possible with an irrelevant dupe just to get rep (this problem already exists without the incentive, when gold badge users, tired from the same questions, honestly tend to misread and close with wrong target, or even close a non-duplicate, it happens to me from time to time as well...)

What would happen next would be:

  • other user(s) reopening
  • another gold badge user editing the duplicate(s) & fixing the dupe target for a better one. Shouldn't he be the one to get rep?

If there were a way to reward closure accuracy... but closure is a moderation action, not an answering action.

In a more general way, something should be done to reward original answerers when closing as duplicate, like "The question has already an answer here..." and a message (maybe for users with not a lot of XP/rep on the site) stating "if some answers here fix your issue, please leave a vote".

Personal note: when I have to close as a duplicate, I tend to close with duplicates I know (I'm keeping a lot of bookmarks for the frequent ones for Python & C). Since I already answered a lot of questions, I have a tendency to close with original questions I answered to (of course if there's a better duplicate, it's not very ethical to do so, so questions have to be very close).

So if people following the current question follow the link to the original question, they'd be (maybe) more willing to drop a vote or two. And if the closer answered to one answer, then he/she can be rewarded. But that's up to the viewers.

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The other answers (and other times I've seen this discussion) touch on the fact that if we give rep for duplicates (e.g. in the same way we do for suggested edits) we'll have a fastest gun in the west for marking as duplicate or closing.

Would a simple solution to that problem not be to have the duplicate suggestions folded in among the answers? That way they could be upvoted, downvoted & accepted accordingly, so you wouldn't be rushing to find any duplicate, because if it really wasn't relevant, your dupe may get downvoted.

You could play with the reputation assigned, e.g. if a "real" answer gets 5 points for an upvote & 15 for an accept, maybe a "question is a duplicate" answer only gets 1 point for an upvote but 50 points for accept (for example, numbers off the top of my head.)

P.S.: See this Meta.SE question for discussion of a similar suggestion.

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  • @CodeCaster They could be displayed differently if they're from a potential duplicate. Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 16:45
  • You might have many answers on a question - do you display all of them, a few of them, only the top-voted one, do you group them by the question they came from? What if the answer(s) is/are really long? How long would it take to figure out what the question of the answer was actually asking? I like the basic idea here (and I'm sure I've seen it proposed before), but this definitely needs a suggestion to do this while avoiding the potential problems here. Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 16:48
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    Very related: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/198958/…
    – Shog9 Mod
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 18:04
  • @CodeCaster if the original question has an answer, and that answer doesn't make sense for the duplicate question, then it's not an exact duplicate. It's a borderline duplicate
    – De Novo
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 18:33
  • @DanHall Not necessarily. If an answer quotes the corresponding question, or builds upon code provided by the OP, folding it into even an exact duplicate can easily lead to an incomprehensible mess.
    – duplode
    Commented Mar 30, 2018 at 2:50
  • "[...] have the duplicates folded in among the answers? That way they could be upvoted, downvoted & accepted accordingly, so you wouldn't be rushing to find any duplicate, because if it really wasn't relevant, your dupe may get downvoted." -- and then the poor soul who answered the target question will get downvotes through no fault of their own, merely because someone else decided to cast a bad dupe vote.
    – duplode
    Commented Mar 30, 2018 at 2:52
  • Realise I probably didn't express myself very well above, but I meant as per the linked question that Shog mentioned — that just a link to the duplicate question would get added in (e.g. rather than the "Possible duplicate of…" comment, this would be an answer), rather than that all answers on the duplicate would get transposed on this question. Commented Mar 30, 2018 at 12:41
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    @anotherdave I took the liberty to edit the answer according to your comment (and remove my downvote accordingly). I'm still a bit ambivalent about presentation: it would be rather odd to have, in effect, link-only answers for that purpose. (That would be less of an issue, though, if the answers disappeared and were replaced by the usual banner once the question was closed.)
    – duplode
    Commented Mar 30, 2018 at 22:58
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The following is a strange idea that I really don't know how it would work out, but I think it's interesting enough to be worthwhile sharing.


Closing a question as a duplicate of another is actually "answering" the duplicate with, "See the question and answers here." What if duplicate suggestions created some kind of "answer" that could be voted on, instead of just a notice above the question?

Some possible advantages:

  • Many questions aren't a literal duplicate of another but still are duplicates - it just requires reading and understanding the other Q&A to figure out how it applies. If the duplicate closer could expand upon why the duplicate applies, it could help the OP more.
  • A lot of newcomers to Stack Overflow view closure of any kind as a personal attack or as the "mods" being out to get them. Presenting it as an answer might prevent hurt feelings.

Definite drawbacks / points that would have to be worked out:

  • This would be a lot of engineering work to implement and add to the site.
  • Would the "answer" block other answers?
  • Would the "answer" be only for the person who posted the original suggestion, blocking out all other users? This would be an even worse FGITW problem.
  • Should reputation be the same as with regular answers?

Maybe the "answer" should be a kind of "community wiki" where reputation is shared amongst the closers.

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    Wouldn't that make duplicate targets subjective, rather than objective? If the goal of duplicates is to concentrate the best content in canon Q&A's, a duplicate that can actually be rated (based on what? its quality of its compatibility with the question?) seems to drift away from that goal.
    – E_net4
    Commented Mar 29, 2018 at 23:57
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    Some of the history on this suggestion: meta.stackexchange.com/q/198958/135695 and meta.stackexchange.com/q/166844/135695
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Mar 30, 2018 at 2:22
  • @BenVoigt I'm unsurprised that someone thought of the idea before. I'm glad to see that there has been significant discussion and thought put into the idea already. I wonder what the status of the feature-request is, though (my guess would be put-off-indefinitely because more details need to be fleshed out and it's a lot of work to implement)
    – Justin
    Commented Mar 30, 2018 at 2:38

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