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Eeeeeek!

In this use case, finding a duplicate is the same as providing a correct answer.

Sure, if the duplicate is accurate. If you have one or two, you have a high probability of accurately finding a correct dupe. If you have five, then I genuinely don't believe you have a correct dupe at all. I strongly maintain that one who closes with five different reasons is just piling on.

You do touch on the main problem here, which is:

It might also slow down the flood of experienced users answering questions that should be closed as dups.

Searching for duplicates is a broken system. Absolutely no incentive to reward dupe finders will work reliably, fairly or accurately until this is fixed. As an experienced user, it is an order of magnitude faster to type the answer than it is to go off hunting for a nuanced and very well hidden dupe. That's not to say I wish to profit or proliferate this behavior; this is just how bad the system's gotten.

It's so bad I can't guarantee that even if I see an NPE question, when I type NPE that I'll get back the canonical NPE question for Java. It takes extra time and effort to actually locate it. Then there may be other unique types of NPEs; for example, if you get an NPE when you autowire a bean in Spring is not the same as your run-of-the-mill didn't-instantiate-an-object-and-now-I-wanna-dereference-it-NPE. Think the current search system's going to be able to detect that context? Well, it doesn't now.

No sense in rewarding anyone until the dupe-finding system is actually working.


What I mean by "working":

  • A way to validate the accuracy of the dupe (likely a review queue with audits)
  • A means to ensure that finding dupes isn't like finding a needle in a haystack
  • A way for the OP to engage with the dupe to say, "No really this actually did answer my question," and a way for the community to override them when they insist that their NPE question is different than every other NPE question just like it

Remember: we're not closing dupes because we're robots and that's what we should be doing. We're closing dupes in the service of the OP and others like them so that they can find reliable answers. If we're not keeping that in mind, we're wasting our time and energy.

Eeeeeek!

In this use case, finding a duplicate is the same as providing a correct answer.

Sure, if the duplicate is accurate. If you have one or two, you have a high probability of accurately finding a correct dupe. If you have five, then I genuinely don't believe you have a correct dupe at all. I strongly maintain that one who closes with five different reasons is just piling on.

You do touch on the main problem here, which is:

It might also slow down the flood of experienced users answering questions that should be closed as dups.

Searching for duplicates is a broken system. Absolutely no incentive to reward dupe finders will work reliably, fairly or accurately until this is fixed. As an experienced user, it is an order of magnitude faster to type the answer than it is to go off hunting for a nuanced and very well hidden dupe. That's not to say I wish to profit or proliferate this behavior; this is just how bad the system's gotten.

It's so bad I can't guarantee that even if I see an NPE question, when I type NPE that I'll get back the canonical NPE question for Java. It takes extra time and effort to actually locate it. Then there may be other unique types of NPEs; for example, if you get an NPE when you autowire a bean in Spring is not the same as your run-of-the-mill didn't-instantiate-an-object-and-now-I-wanna-dereference-it-NPE. Think the current search system's going to be able to detect that context? Well, it doesn't now.

No sense in rewarding anyone until the dupe-finding system is actually working.

Eeeeeek!

In this use case, finding a duplicate is the same as providing a correct answer.

Sure, if the duplicate is accurate. If you have one or two, you have a high probability of accurately finding a correct dupe. If you have five, then I genuinely don't believe you have a correct dupe at all. I strongly maintain that one who closes with five different reasons is just piling on.

You do touch on the main problem here, which is:

It might also slow down the flood of experienced users answering questions that should be closed as dups.

Searching for duplicates is a broken system. Absolutely no incentive to reward dupe finders will work reliably, fairly or accurately until this is fixed. As an experienced user, it is an order of magnitude faster to type the answer than it is to go off hunting for a nuanced and very well hidden dupe. That's not to say I wish to profit or proliferate this behavior; this is just how bad the system's gotten.

It's so bad I can't guarantee that even if I see an NPE question, when I type NPE that I'll get back the canonical NPE question for Java. It takes extra time and effort to actually locate it. Then there may be other unique types of NPEs; for example, if you get an NPE when you autowire a bean in Spring is not the same as your run-of-the-mill didn't-instantiate-an-object-and-now-I-wanna-dereference-it-NPE. Think the current search system's going to be able to detect that context? Well, it doesn't now.

No sense in rewarding anyone until the dupe-finding system is actually working.


What I mean by "working":

  • A way to validate the accuracy of the dupe (likely a review queue with audits)
  • A means to ensure that finding dupes isn't like finding a needle in a haystack
  • A way for the OP to engage with the dupe to say, "No really this actually did answer my question," and a way for the community to override them when they insist that their NPE question is different than every other NPE question just like it

Remember: we're not closing dupes because we're robots and that's what we should be doing. We're closing dupes in the service of the OP and others like them so that they can find reliable answers. If we're not keeping that in mind, we're wasting our time and energy.

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Makoto
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Eeeeeek!

In this use case, finding a duplicate is the same as providing a correct answer.

Sure, if the duplicate is accurate. If you have one or two, you have a high probability of accurately finding a correct dupe. If you have five, then I genuinely don't believe you have a correct dupe at all. I strongly maintain that one who closes with five different reasons is just piling on.

You do touch on the main problem here, which is:

It might also slow down the flood of experienced users answering questions that should be closed as dups.

Searching for duplicates is a broken system. Absolutely no incentive to reward dupe finders will work reliably, fairly or accurately until this is fixed. As an experienced user, it is an order of magnitude faster to type the answer than it is to go off hunting for a nuanced and very well hidden dupe. That's not to say I wish to profit or proliferate this behavior; this is just how bad the system's gotten.

It's so bad I can't guarantee that even if I see an NPE question, when I type NPE that I'll get back the canonical NPE question for Java. It takes extra time and effort to actually locate it. Then there may be other unique types of NPEs; for example, if you get an NPE when you autowire a bean in Spring is not the same as your run-of-the-mill didn't-instantiate-an-object-and-now-I-wanna-dereference-it-NPE. Think the current search system's going to be able to detect that context? Well, it doesn't now.

No sense in rewarding anyone until the dupe-finding system is actually working.