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I'm trying to comment on this question to say:

(-1/30) is integer division, and is equal to zero. This probably isn't what you mean.

And I'm being told

Comments cannot contain that content

Do not comment on your downvote. If you think this question can be improved, please offer specific guidance. See: The Comment Privilege.

I've not downvoted, and I am surprised that such a comment is being blocked, as it (removing the "This probably isn't what you mean" doesn't work either).

The comment (posted by another user):

You should be aware that APR /= 36500; and (-1/30) are integer divisions.

seems to be allowed.

I don't understand what the difference between these comments is in terms of what is being disallowed.


It appears that this is being triggered by the fact that the first significant content of the comment is "-1", which is erroneously considered a downvote comment - especially surprising when you've not downvoted.

Changed to feature request: the message should be improved to give a hint as to the reason. For example:

Comments cannot start with "-1".

Do not comment on your downvote. If you think this question can be improved, please offer specific guidance. See: The Comment Privilege.

But additionally, including the signal of whether the user has downvoted could be taken into account.

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    looks like the system thought the comments were along the lines.. -1 because...
    – Suraj Rao
    Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 9:03
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    Oh, you mean it's being triggered by the -1 in -1/30? Well, that's awesome... Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 9:03
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    @SurajRao yeah, that seems to be it, it works just fine for -2/30 and other values. Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 9:06
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    You could just prefix it with "be aware that..." but yes - it's because of the reason mentioned by @SurajRao. It's not a bug - just means you have to rewrite your comment a little bit.
    – Jon Clements Mod
    Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 9:08
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    @JonClements sure, if you realize that's the problem - the message could be prefixed with "Your message starts with -1." :) Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 9:10
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    @JonClements.. Its more like a false positive..
    – Suraj Rao
    Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 9:11
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    @SurajRao which is going to happen given the simplicity of the check
    – Jon Clements Mod
    Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 9:12
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    @Andy it does say Do not comment on your downvote which should give a decent hint as to why. Maybe instead of a bug report you want to make this a feature request with some reasoning and suggested wording?
    – Jon Clements Mod
    Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 9:15
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    @JonClements well, that's a decent hint, provided you're in the habit of writing downvote comments, you're not quoting content from the question, and you've actually downvoted. Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 9:17
  • Not really a bug, although, this is certainly an edge case. Perhaps it would have been beneficial for there to have been a link to meta.stackoverflow.com/q/277314/1026459
    – Travis J
    Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 9:23
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    @K.Dᴀᴠɪs it's not applied to meta :)
    – Jon Clements Mod
    Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 12:13
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    @AndyTurner: Testing if you've actually downvoted doesn't work, some people leave the explanatory comment before casting the vote.
    – Ben Voigt
    Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 15:58
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    @Ben yes, I'd considered that. Well, test if they've left a DV comment before letting them DV. I know, you've got to stop somewhere; saying clearly why the comment action is being blocked is more useful. Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 16:24
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    But, saying clearly why something is blocked goes against the general philosophy that SE uses of making it harder for people to get around such blocks by keeping the details of the actual checks secret.
    – Makyen Mod
    Commented Feb 26, 2018 at 20:25
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    Meanwhile, idownvotedbecau.se links are allowed. This makes no sense.
    – ㅤㅤㅤ
    Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 12:16

2 Answers 2

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The - Dash (as part of a "-1") just can't be at the beginning of the comment. It needs to be preceded by text (other than brackets/symbols):

screenshot example

Alternatively, if someone really wanted a dash or a "minus one" at the beginning of the comment, you could use an En Dash –1. Similarly, +1 is not allowed, but +1 is allowed. The automatic whitespace trimming   can   be   bypassed   with   symbols   too.
                                              I wonder if anyone will even notice this Teeny Tiny Right-Aligned text... Super-cool or Super-silly?

If someone really wants the world to know who down-voted, they should just use the matching Unicode symbols (▼ & ▲)...

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    Not exactly.. if you look at the discussion.. -2 worked
    – Suraj Rao
    Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 7:46
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    –1 because I dislike your comment.
    – ashleedawg
    Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 8:11
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    ▼ Down-voted because I'm having a bad day, so I'll punish everyone else.
    – ashleedawg
    Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 8:11
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    −1, if I want to say minus, I use minus (U+2212), not the En Dash
    – Holger
    Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 8:46
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    −1 ← There's a symbol that isn't a hyphen or dash, it's a minus, so it works in code and at the beginning of a comment.
    – ashleedawg
    Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 8:47
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    +1 for beating me to it!
    – ashleedawg
    Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 8:49
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    Something I never noticed until just now is that the spacing between comments doubles-up on certain ones like @Holder's last 2 comments, and only 1 of mine. Or maybe it's just rendering strangely in my browser? (My vision is getting bad, so I had to double check, lol)
    – ashleedawg
    Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 9:03
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    Also this post for a bunch of other workarounds
    – Tas
    Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 10:48
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    Summary: implementing a dumb script to trick smart coders who work with scripts all day wasn't the best idea SO ever had...
    – Lundin
    Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 12:03
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    ±1 Schrödinger's comment Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 14:39
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    –🐱 for Schrödinger's poor kitty cat
    – ashleedawg
    Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 15:01
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    …𝒶𝓃𝒹 −([ℏ2]÷[2m])÷([d2ψ(x)]÷[dx2+V(x)ψ(x)]) …ғᴏʀ ᴍᴀᴋɪɴɢ ᴍᴇ sᴘᴇɴᴅ ½ʜʀ ʀᴇsᴇᴀʀᴄʜɪɴɢ Sᴄʜʀöᴅɪɴɢᴇʀ.
    – ashleedawg
    Commented Feb 27, 2018 at 15:07
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    @Lundin no wonder the proposal which implemented that was the most downvoted post on MSO for 3 years.
    – Bhargav Rao Mod
    Commented Feb 28, 2018 at 4:56
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    @Lundin Actually it is pretty effective and a pretty good idea; the vast majority of positives caught by this are dumb +1/-1 comments that don't contribute anything substantive. The auto-delete aspect of flagging such comments is incredibly worthwhile as well. The few false positives this catches are well worth it, especially considering the real goal of making people only write substantive comments is easily achieved here. If a +1/-1 comment is actually worthwhile, the commenter will be forced to think about what they are saying and find another, better way to say it.
    – TylerH
    Commented Feb 28, 2018 at 14:18
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    @Lundin Well SO is a private company, not a democracy. Comparisons to types of government always fall flat for numerous reasons. At any rate, this isn't about freedom of speech, it's about a company implementing a system to remove content from its platform that it doesn't want.
    – TylerH
    Commented Feb 28, 2018 at 15:43
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This 'Answer' isn't directly relevant to the original Question, but is to the subsequent conversation.

There are comments from others who are adamant that a large proportion of S.O. users are discussing upset about the inability to +1/-1 at the beginning of a comment.

I realized that since all discussion is recorded, "Hey, we have the technology to test that theory!" This absolutely isn't meant as a stab at anyone, mostly I was curious, and, yes, I'm so much of a data geek that I just happily spent an hour throwing some stats together.


For the purpose of these stats:

  • Users are users who have activity since January 1, 2017.

  • In regards to this "issue", a mention is any time one of {"vote","Vote","+1","-1"} appeared in the User's Post.Body or Comments.Text during the same period.

  • There are many variables that I didn't take into account. This is not factual, just a rough overview, so don't freak out on me.


    Number of times voting was "mentioned":     13,497
     Number of users who "mentioned" votes:       1485

                    % of all SO.Meta users:       0.3%    [3 of every 1000 users]
                         % of all SO users:      0.04%   [4 of every 10000 users]

               Number of users who did...        Count      % of Total    Avg Rep     Top
                ...11% of the "mentioning":          2        0.00005%     173958   0.005%
                ...33% of the "mentioning":         32         0.0008%     123047   0.009%
                ...50% of the "mentioning":         78          0.002%      62552    0.03%

           Users who DIDN'T mention it...        Count      % of Total
               Stack Overflow - Meta Users:    496,612           99.7%
                      Stack Overflow Users:  4,136,728         99.964%

My interpretation of this is that 78 users are equally concerned about this issue as are the other 4,000,000+ users combined. On the other hand, those are also some of the site's top users by reputation.

...so +1 to all!

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  • "plusoned" for the data. (And now you have another pattern to search for.) I can't linguistically parse your second paragraph/sentence. Can you rewrite it so that I know what you mean? Commented Jan 22, 2020 at 14:55

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