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First, I am aware of this Meta question. But we haven't heard of any improvements for a long time now.

I think the problem is bigger than ever before. Currently I am skipping 19 out of 20 questions because I cannot take a proper action.

Mostly the content cannot be solved through editing. But it is not bad enough to flag it as VLQ. On the other hand we have questions that should have been given the green light in Triage before.

To clear the queue, we can only use VLQ or Edit (where both actions are inappropriate).

In its current state we do not help anyone. If you skipped your action for the 20th time in a row, you are going to burn out.

If we would be able to throw the question/answer out of the review queue, we would be able to save the next 500 reviewers from one "skip". They would be able to edit a question that actually needs editing instead.

So I suggest that we have the following actions:

  • Vote to Close
  • Requires no Editing, Looks OK

Currently the skip rate is 83.4 % in the Help & Improvement queue.


In some way, the system, want's that we have more actions then [VLQ] and [Edit]

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    Your two proposed actions would basically turn H&I back into Triage. I think that's the right idea, actually; if the triager has to make the edit themselves, they'll actually close questions that require the asker to edit, as closure was intended. (But I get the impression that the developers gave up on Triage/H&I a while ago.) Commented Dec 13, 2016 at 0:13
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    If the question is closed it is removed from the queue. Theres nothing stopping you from visiting the question and voting to close it. Then if you km skip it you will not be shown it again. Who knows, someone else might be able to edit it into shape. There are userscripts that enable voting and close voting in the queues.
    – user4639281
    Commented Dec 13, 2016 at 0:16
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    Could the questions with answers be removed automatically from help and improvement queue? The stated goal is to "make questions clear and answerable". If there is an answer already, can we just assume that question got the answer it deserved, and move on?
    – artem
    Commented Dec 13, 2016 at 9:59
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    There needs to be a delete/unsalvageable button in every review queue. Because let's face it, half of the nonsense that gets into review queues is just that. All the other options are silly and a waste of time when what you really want to do is make the bad stuff go away.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Dec 13, 2016 at 10:19
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    The core problem is that this review queue never made much sense to begin with. Neither did triage.
    – Lundin
    Commented Dec 14, 2016 at 12:29

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This would turn H&I into the First Posts queue. There, you can upvote, downvote, flag and edit. And "No Action Needed" has the same results as "Looks OK" - voting to remove it from the queue without further ado.

H&I is fed from Triage, and that queue isn't working as intended. We've had a lot of posts about that.

But H&I itself isn't functioning either. When it was first created, it had a high bar - you had to edit a lot and give extensive explanation. At some point, the bar was lowered so that even very small edits were enough to count as a "review". The result shows - lots of superficial edits, and rare indeed is the H&I reviewer who tries to explain to a new user how the site works.

So I say we merge Triage and H&I back into First Posts.

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  • I think it would be a good idea to just merge Triage and Help and Improvement, so that there would be the actions Looks OK, Edit and Unsalvageable. Commented Jun 21, 2017 at 22:03
  • @DonaldDuck Then the difference with First Posts would be that you could use "Looks OK" instead of upvoting/downvoting. I like your idea, but I'm not convinced that it is sufficiently different from First Posts. Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 6:19
  • The difference would also be that the posts in First Posts are only first posts and that wouldn't necessarily be the case in Triage. Commented Jun 22, 2017 at 12:57
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I don't think that the problem is with Help & Improvement; the problem is with the reviewers.

For example, in Triage, clarify a few things:

  • It is completely okay to both downvote and review "Looks OK" on the same question.
  • "Requires Editing" should only be used if a decent edit could be made by 2K users, not the OP.

As for Help & Improvement: I don't view that queue as "the final, hardest Steward badge; the queue where you can only complete 5% of reviews". A lot of my pre-2K time on Stack Overflow was spent trawling through old questions, looking for posts to edit (for my Archaeologist badge) and comments to flag. This seems to have prepared me quite well for the Help & Improvement queue: I can easily spot edits to make from a few seconds of looking at a post, and I have a large arsenal of possible edits to apply. Because of this, I think of Help & Improvement as a place where questions in need of editing can get attention from good editors.

Consider looking at my top Meta answer and training yourself to spot some of the edits that I list in it. You might find yourself completing a more reviews in Help & Improvement.

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    Do I understand it correctly that you would apply an edit just to do anything even though the question would still be unanswerable? If not, then I guess you're missing the point in OPs question.
    – Tom
    Commented Dec 13, 2016 at 9:43
  • @Tom Excuse me.
    – Nissa
    Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 19:02
  • Ok, you didn't understand OPs question, no problem.
    – Tom
    Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 19:03
  • @Tom tell me one thing about the question that I didn't understand.
    – Nissa
    Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 19:09
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    OPs question isn't about polishing bad questions and that's all you told us about. OP want to remove bad questions from the queue by voting to close them, as they are unanswerable in the current state, not by editing some spelling mistakes and tags. And something like the proposed "close" button seems appropriate until the "Triage" reviewers learned to do their job correctly (something you understood).
    – Tom
    Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 19:17
  • @Tom but bad questions are already removed from the review queue. Otherwise, the review queue would be a lot bigger.
    – Nissa
    Commented Jan 4, 2017 at 19:41

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