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As a new user with little reputation, whenever I keep the active questions link open in my browser, I find that I am not notified of active questions; I have to manually refresh the tabs in order to find them.

Questions visible to me

However, my friend who has 400+ reputation is notified of the newly active questions as below:

Questions notification visible to my friend

Given the fact that we both used the same system, with the same settings, at the same point of time (he logged in in the incognito mode), why this difference? Due to this, by the time I hit F5 and the page is loaded, I find that the active/new questions are either already answered or edited. Is this something that is deliberately done by SO because of the low quality answers usually posted by the new users?

Edit: Although this is not a critical question, I would appreciate it if some moderator (who has access to the backend code and functionality) sheds some light on this.

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    related: New Feature: real time updates to questions, answers, and inbox
    – gnat
    Commented May 10, 2016 at 19:56
  • @gnat, yes, that precisely is the feature I am talking about. However it is an old 2012 link and this has been deployed in SO as well. What I wonder is why I cannot see it, although websockets are enabled. Any pointers, please? Commented May 10, 2016 at 20:00
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    If it is enabled at a given rep level, I'd expect it to be for performance reasons, as that feature is going to consume more system resources than not having it enabled.
    – Servy
    Commented May 10, 2016 at 20:12
  • @Servy, okay, so you mean to say that it is enabled at some rep level? Could you please let me know what it is? Commented May 10, 2016 at 20:19
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    @CodingBatman I didn't say that at all.
    – Servy
    Commented May 10, 2016 at 20:20
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    Anyway...it's not a about who answers first...it's about who answers best. Just because an answer has been posted doesn't mean the answer is helpful, right or couldn't be improved upon by someone taking their time to provide a complete answer. Take your time...do it right. The rep will come.
    – Paulie_D
    Commented May 10, 2016 at 20:30
  • I don't think this is tied to rep.It's not on the list of privileges and the live-refresh tag at Meta SE shows questions from folks with very little rep. I saw one from someone with 16 points.
    – BSMP
    Commented May 10, 2016 at 20:50
  • @BSMP It could be part of the new user restrictions.
    – Servy
    Commented May 10, 2016 at 20:55
  • @Servy, please excuse my grammar, but if by new user you mean someone who has just created an account, then well, I have been here for 3 years and 1 month! This made me think that it must be related to reputation in the first place. Commented May 10, 2016 at 20:59
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    @CodingBatman No, by new user restrictions I mean the privilege, "new user restrictions".
    – Servy
    Commented May 10, 2016 at 21:00
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    @CodingBatman Do you have any browser plugins that may be blocking Live Refresh? What happens if you login using Incognito Mode; does Live Refresh work?
    – AStopher
    Commented May 10, 2016 at 21:50
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    I have 26k+ rep and to my memory I have never see the live reload notification on Stack Overflow, however it does work fine on other SE sties and here on Meta. I guess I always just assumed there were too many questions or something coming in for it to work. No errors in my console, just the usual deprecated warning from the ancient jQuery version that is being used. Commented May 11, 2016 at 0:18
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    @AlexanderO'Mara - on SO we don't have the real time question notification on the homepage or questions page (unfiltered), for exactly that reason - it is a firehose and not particularly useful. We do have it enabled on the tag pages (for active/newest sorts)
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented May 11, 2016 at 9:48
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    I have over 400 rep and its hit or miss for me. Some days I get the notifications and some days I don't.
    – Jacobr365
    Commented May 11, 2016 at 13:10
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    I see the meta effect has kicked in and bumped the OP up past the 30 rep threshold. Commented May 11, 2016 at 13:24

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Does visibility of new questions depend on user reputation?

Specifically:

I am not notified of active questions; I have to manually refresh the tabs in order to find them.


You are correct - we are currently only enabling realtime notifications to users with reputation of 30 and above (on Stack Overflow only) - this is something we can tune at runtime; this restriction is in place for performance and availability reasons (things like ensuring we don't hit port exhaustion on the websocket server OS, letting us control how many sockets we are handling etc...).

I am talking to the team to see if we can lower the threshold, but no promises.

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    It would be helpful for the new users, if this point about live-refresh is added in the privileges section. Currently I am unable to see it there. Also, it would be helpful if the threshold is lowered (but this is just my selfish personal request - decision and analysis I leave to you all :) ). Commented May 11, 2016 at 11:01
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    @CodingBatman - it isn't about privileges. It is specifically tied to reputation (and as I said, it tunable - it is like that only on SO, so not correct to say it is a privilege). And it wouldn't be helpful for anyone if lowering the threshold would crash our load balancers and no one could get the live-refresh (or the site itself, for that matter)...
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented May 11, 2016 at 11:04
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    @Oded And yet, "privileges" are, for all intents and purposes, "things unlocked by reputation above threshold". It makes sense placing a mention of it there.
    – Xan
    Commented May 11, 2016 at 11:46
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    @Xan - and yet, this isn't a privilege. It is a throttle.
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented May 11, 2016 at 11:48
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    Try seeing it from the user perspective. It's a perk for them, it's unlocked by reputation. Semantics! But I get your point - it's not a specific unlock but something you tune at any moment based on performance.
    – Xan
    Commented May 11, 2016 at 11:50
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    @Oded Not being throttled is a privilege here from the user perspective. But like Xan said, semantics :-)
    – TylerH
    Commented May 11, 2016 at 12:37
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    @TylerH - it isn't a privilege because it doesn't need earning, in the general case. We do a number of special things on SO that we don't do on other sites due to performance, and this is just one of them. If we change the threshold tomorrow to 1000, would you expect us to update two privileges as well? The point of the toggle is to keep the system stable and operational, and for a nice-to-have, that's the compromise we came to.
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented May 11, 2016 at 12:40
  • What's the difference between this and meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/284289/…?
    – RoadieRich
    Commented May 11, 2016 at 12:43
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    @RoadieRich - privileges are set and don't usually change. They are also generally awarded at the same reputation points on all sites. This is a specific throttle that is intended to keep the systems running, not a privilege to be earned.
    – Oded StaffMod
    Commented May 11, 2016 at 12:46
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    @Oded In the sense that once you've crossed a certain threshold of reputation (say, 30 in this case), you gain access to a feature of the site, that makes it a privilege. That it so happens to be arbitrary and not the same number for all time is irrelevant. I'm not saying it should be any different from what it is now, or that it should be listed on the Privileges page, I'm just saying that, by definition, the word privilege applies here.
    – TylerH
    Commented May 11, 2016 at 12:46
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    @Oded but that originally applied to the up/downvote privilege surely? The only reason that is a privilege (i.e. limited by rep level) is to keep systems running?
    – RoadieRich
    Commented May 11, 2016 at 12:49
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    The funny thing is: I often keep a Stack Overflow browser tab open, and before doing so navigate to a page other than the first page of a tag-filtered search, specifically so I won't get these updates (which I've always assumed incurred some specific overhead both locally and server-side, and I hate wasting resources like that). I'd love to see a way to toggle this behavior (it could default to "off" for low-rep users, and/or the toggle could include a link to a brief explanation of why low-rep users don't get the feature). Commented May 12, 2016 at 15:25
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    In any case, I do agree that this undocumented feature could use some documentation. Debating whether it's really a "privilege" or not misses the point; the fact is, users trying to figure out what reputation affects, and whether it affects this, will find themselves at the reputation/privilege-related help topics, so that would seem to be a natural place to document it (even if that documentation also called out specifically that this feature is not a "privilege" per se). Commented May 12, 2016 at 15:28
  • I expect this has changed by now, but would the number of up-voted answers not be better then rep, as people who only ask questions don't need the update? Commented May 31, 2016 at 15:58

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