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I know I can upvote any post for any reason, but consider this situation:

I see a zero score post, and I don't think it needs either an upvote or downvote. Suddenly it gets a downvote, but I think the post should not have been downvoted, so I upvote the post.

If I upvote the post, not because of the context of the post, but because I think the post does not deserve a negative score, is this upvote improper?

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    I just up-voted to get this one back to zero, but typically I try to vote without regard for the current net total.
    – danh
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 2:33
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    Well, what part of a post makes you feel like "it should not have a negative score"? Isn't that in itself akin to wanting to show your approval?
    – Kerrek SB
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 2:40
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    You should upvote useful content, downvote useless content and not vote on content you don't care either way about. Voting on a post solely because of it's net score is not useful voting information.
    – user4639281
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 2:42
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    I don't agree with the premise but thanks a lot for bringing the issue up.
    – brasofilo
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 3:15
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    originally it neither needs to up vote or down vote - I don't understand what this means.
    – BSMP
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 16:08
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    @BSMP It means the OP is determining what an appropriate score for the post is, and then votes to bring it closer to that score. The OP feels that zero is an appropriate score, so if the post has received no votes yet, it needs neither an upvote nor a downvote. As soon as it has been downvoted, the OP would upvote it to bring it back to zero. (And presumably, if it had been upvoted, the OP would downvote it to bring it back to zero too.)
    – user743382
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 20:29
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    I can't find the meta post I'm looking for, but this came up a few months ago and every upvote you hand out grants the user in question more and more privileges. Do you want users who post crap content to be able to vote to close questions or even delete content?
    – cimmanon
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 21:02
  • @cimmanon i don't think that applies, in this case the voter presumably doesn't think the post is crap (hence thinking it doesn't deserve to be downvoted)
    – Kevin B
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 21:37
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    Upvote if good; downvote if bad. Ignore current score.
    – Sobrique
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 21:40
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    Related: Sometimes I don't upvote a post, because I think it deserves a few upvotes but not as many as it already has. Commented Dec 2, 2015 at 8:41
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    Maybe when someone intends to vote, the current score should not be displayed. To see the score, one would have to say +1, 0 or -1 and that's that. In other words: you can't see the score until you commit yourself. Or, we could just be responsible, rational adults. Ha!
    – user4624979
    Commented Dec 2, 2015 at 18:24
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    Downvote should be given with proper reason in comments section. I see people downvoting for no reason. Even post(Question/Answer) was useful. Sometimes people just don't think, they downvote because they just didn't had enough caffeine in morning!! Commented Dec 2, 2015 at 19:06
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    Well, I downvoted this question because I don't think it deserved all the upvotes. The guy who downvoted, did it because of whatever reasons he had in mind, if I upvote I do it for whatever reason I have in mind. You have one vote, you should do whatever you want with it.
    – Vinícius
    Commented Jan 14, 2017 at 16:07

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Yeah, that is kind of a problem: you're no longer voting on the post, you're voting on the score. Essentially, you're telling someone else they can't vote, rather than accepting that they're entitled to their opinion (and perhaps forming one of your own).

Meanwhile, the author of the post earns +8 in reputation instead of the -2 they'd have gotten if you hadn't voted. Even though you don't have an opinion on the post at all. And the downvoter perhaps gets discouraged and stops downvoting, thus increasing the already-pervasive problem of bad content not being adequately indicated.

Please, vote based on the value of the post. If you don't have an opinion on the value of a given post, then don't vote.

See also:

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    speaking from my experience as a downvoter, "perhaps gets discouraged" - yes. "...and stops downvoting" - no
    – gnat
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 7:20
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    If there is one thing on the site that might discourage, it is pity upvotes. I mean how the heck do you reason with people who rage against the machine when you do that on behalf of the machine?
    – Gimby
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 10:18
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    If you don't think the post should be negative, you clearly do have an opinion on the post, and you are therefore allowed to vote on it.
    – Blorgbeard
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 20:16
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    I must be of a rare opinion, that downvoting a weak potentially useful is bad enough to warrant an upvote to put it back to zero. At least I feel the need to do it rarely.
    – Joshua
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 20:22
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    @Blorgbeard If you wouldn't have upvoted it if it hadn't been downvoted, but you are upvoting it if it has been downvoted, then clearly, you don't vote based on your opinion of the post. Your opinion of the post may already be a factor in your voting behaviour, but it should be the only factor in your voting behaviour.
    – user743382
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 20:24
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    I'm usually the first to advocate being welcoming to newcomers and less experienced members, but I only believe an upvote is warrented if the question is actually worthy of an upvote by itself. I don't personally tend to downvote first posts with minor issues, but if it was technically warranted by some measure, I just won't vote at all. Instead, I'll usually comment to explain how the question/answer could be improved. In short, I agree - vote on the question/answer's own merit, not to cancel out someone else's vote in either direction. Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 20:32
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    And I'd also agree that a sympathy upvote harms everyone involved, because it gives a net gain. Even if the "score" is 0, the rep gain is positive, and that is what the user will watch. Given a positive rep score, they're more likely to post similar bad content because "someone thought it was right." If you don't feel it is worthy of a downvote, but not worthy by itsef of an upvote, don't vote. Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 20:35
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    @Blorgbeard, not a major one, but if it has a few minor problems and they're new, I don't personally downvote...I prefer to provide helpful comments and give them a chance to improve. Major problems, you bet I'll downvote. It's a personal policy, and I understand different people have different opinions (so long as a downvote is based on merit, or lack thereof, and not exclusively to be nasty, I can agree to disagree.) This issue of anti-voting exists in both directions, really, and it's a problem either way. Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 21:10
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    When I vote on an answer, I'm not just saying "this answer is good" or "this answer is bad". I'm saying "the reader would benefit from seeing this answer earlier" or "later". If I see an answer with score -1 that I think is superior to an answer with score +2, I will vote the former up. If I think the former is vastly superior to the latter, I will also vote the latter down to help make sure the superior question is displayed first, which is, IMO, the ultimate goal of this voting practice. Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 21:12
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    Exactly. The purpose of the voting system is to rate content so that users see the best content first. How users get rep when their content is voted on is not my problem. If it's broken, fix it; don't try to train users to vote around it.
    – Blorgbeard
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 21:27
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    There's a fine line though. Your vote should be because the post was good quality, or bad quality. If you're voting because you don't think it was bad but someone else did, that's the behavior that causes problems. if you thought it was good/high quality, upvote away. Upvoting something that you think is "just ok" because someone else downvoted though isn't ok.
    – Kevin B
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 21:29
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    This answer seems to be responding to an imaginary question that reads "I saw an answer at -1. I didn't read the answer, but I don't like negative numbers, so I upvoted it. Is that ok?". Whereas, actually, the OP did read the answer, and formed an opinion on the content viz: it belongs at score: 0.
    – Blorgbeard
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 21:30
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    The question is neither of those, @Blorgbeard. Rather, he states that he feels the post should score 0 and asks if voting for reasons other than "context" (sic) is a problem. Which is what I try to address here.
    – Shog9
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 21:35
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    Voting to sort is something else again, @Blorgbeard. A fine distinction, perhaps... But important: if I think Answer A is more useful than Answer B, voting A up is totally appropriate. It doesn't particularly matter if A and B score 0 or -1 or +100 in this context; I'm ranking them according to how useful I found them, not twiddling some meaningless score in a vacuum.
    – Shog9
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 21:40
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    Yeah, agree it's not 100% clear, @Blorgbeard - which is why I went back and dug up the related links, since we've covered this topic from a bunch of different angles over the years.
    – Shog9
    Commented Nov 30, 2015 at 21:55
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There are three classifications of questions:

  1. Questions that deserve to be downvoted to oblivion for the reason under the downvote arrow This question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful these should also automatically merit an appropriate close vote that matches the reason.

  2. Questions that deserve to be upvoted because they are great examples of exactly opposite of the downvote deserving ones. There is no such thing as a good duplicate either.

  3. Questions that you can't qualify because you are not knowledgeable enough in the tag domains to make a judgement call because they are not obviously malformed and you lack the experience to judge if they are duplicates or useless in the tag domain. Just do nothing because you don't have a qualified opinion and move on.

Voting for any other reason is mucking up the works.

A misplaced downvote (in your opinion) of -2 is way less harmful to the system as a whole than a undeserved on merit upvote of +5. Answers are a different economy and a different metric.

Voting up because of no explanatory comments is even worse!

The voting system is anonymous for a reason.

Generally anyone that is lazy writing a question that shows no research or is not useful is not going to look at it with a critical eye either to try and fix it. It would be too much effort and they have already displayed the level of effort they are willing to give.

The downvote description under the arrow is there for a reason.

These same people just whine about no comment on the downvote and they do not really care about the reason either because they never go back and edit the question if they do get a well thought out reason.

They general just say "no, it's not" and get in a pissing contest with whomever was stupid enough to post an explanatory comment. That person could have been reviewing other questions and downvoting them, but they are instead arguing with a help vampire with that time.

And they have publicly shamed the person that admits to the downvote, so others will gang up on that person in the future about the same thing and that person will just stop participating.

My experience in the tags I am active in is that:

As a general rule every question that deserves a downvote also deserves a close vote that will add to the explanation even more. There might be some exceptions, but I can not think of any.

The , and tags have the majority of the terrible questions by far, but not nearly as bad as the individually.

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Yes and no.

Yes, it's wrong, because I feel you should vote based on the quality of the post alone, not on what other people think of it.

No, because you can still vote however you want for whatever reason. If everyone does it, it should balance out in the long run.

The good answers should rise to the top by means of mass voting.

This was relevant without taking reputation points into account. Your upvote will change the user's reputation positively even if the post ends up at 0. So you actually do change something.

I feel that the linear link between reputation points and votes makes voting different as your impact isn't just on the topic at hand. You influence user privileges at the same time. Maybe this was your intent (impact on user and not on question)?

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