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Yesterday I came across a question at first thinking it was a duplicate, but actually was not.

In the course of searching for an existing question that could help the OP of the question, I came across this question which has the following answer:

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The answer seems to fit the description of not an answer:

This was posted as an answer, but it does not attempt to answer the question. It should possibly be an edit, a comment, another question, or deleted altogether.

This answer asks for clarification rather than providing an actual answer, so I went and flagged it as not an answer, however...

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...the flag was declined as a moderator reviewed your flag, but found no evidence to support it.

Am I incorrect in thinking that the answer isn't an answer? If so, what makes this an answer?

I realise that the flag might have been declined due to it being the accepted answer, but Stack Overflow is a reference site and I don't see this answer being of use to future readers.

Breakdown on exactly why I don't think this is an answer:

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    I've asked a question like this and from what I understand in the answer is that any attempt to answer the question counts (even if it doesn't even remotely answer the question). Basically the part that says "you should try and avoid them when possible" counts as an answer itself. Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 1:17
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    @SpencerWieczorek It seems that now this is less of a 'is this an answer' and is rather a 'what is the correct way to handle this?' question. Now it has been explained I can see why this qualifies as an answer, but as I mentioned below it is in need of serious cleaning-up.
    – AStopher
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 8:49
  • No, it's a question.
    – user2039981
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 15:02
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    The first and third sentences are rhetorical questions, a.k.a. statements phrased in the form of a question. The answerer is not asking for clarification. The last sentence doesn't really contribute to the answer, but it doesn't invalidate the rest of the answer.
    – JLRishe
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 16:10
  • @JLRishe Yes I know that, but rhetorical questions in answers do not suit the format of Stack Overflow (or Stack Exchange at that) at all.
    – AStopher
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 17:12
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    @cybermonkey There is nothing wrong with having rhetorical questions in an answer on SO. Nothing about the format prohibits them.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 17:15
  • @Servy The bottom line is that the community seems to be split almost perfectly halfway on this issue, so there doesn't seem to be a right/wrong answer to this (and nobody else has confirmed what you've brought up).
    – AStopher
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 17:22
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    @cybermonkey You cannot delete the question given that there are multiple answers.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 17:24
  • @Servy True, but there's nothing a good 'ol moderator flag can't solve when it comes to a request to delete my own question.
    – AStopher
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 17:26
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    @cybermonkey They can certainly disassociate the post from your account. They're not going to delete a quality post because you say you want it deleted, or because you don't like the answer that you got.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 17:28
  • @Servy So now you're saying this is a 'quality post'?
    – AStopher
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 17:29
  • @cybermonkey Sure it is. It's an interesting situation to consider; it's a situation that appears, at first glance, to have one resolution, but another when looked at more closely the opposite happens to be the case. It's a great example to bring up as a result of this confusion. Why else do you think it's gotten 25 upvotes? There are plenty of very low quality comments here, but the posts themselves have plenty of value.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 17:31

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NAA is a flag with a high (or low, as the case may be) bar: any answer that could be an answer to some question on SO, whether or not it's this one, and whether or not it is or was or could be correct, does not qualify for being flagged. It's only answers that are not even wrong that can be flagged this way: new questions, revisions to the question, thanks, requests for clarifications, bumps, irrelevant noise… oh, and link-only answers, which contain no valid answer* if you rot their link.

*Only, at most, a description of an answer that is not actually provided in the post.

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  • Yes, I know what a NAA flag is what what answers should be flagged with it, that part didn't need explaining. As others here have mentioned, the answer is only an answer if one cares to take it out of context as it requires some in-depth reading to actually get what the answer is here, and I'm still not actually sure where the answer actually is. This seems to be more of a case of 'confusing answer' syndrome, but nobody seems to actually understand the answer well enough in order to edit it.
    – AStopher
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 12:46
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    @cybermonkey: Fair enough. Myself, I know that despite flagging lots of NAA of all types correctly, it's still confusing enough that I could use rehearsal of the definition, so most others probably can too for similar reasons. When I'm somewhat more awake I can try to explain more why this answer's confusing properties are not enough to meet the bar. Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 13:58
  • @cybermonkey It's only not an answer if you take it out of context. Taking it out of context doesn't turn it into an answer.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 15:01
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The real question being asked here is:

Is there a way I can say to account for DST for a given statement or session?

The author then follows it up with the solution that he found, and explained why that solution didn't work for him.

Functionally, the answer that you quoted is saying that the problem that the OP has with his proposed solution isn't a real problem. In effect this means that he's saying that the answer to the OP's question is, "use UNIX_TIMESTAMP".

While taken out of context, and not actually looking at the question, this isn't clear. When actually looking at the question this answer is very clearly an answer to the question. While adding some more explicit statement to the answer along the lines of, "you should just use UNIX_TIMESTAMP" would make it look more like an answer out of context, it's not actually adding anything of value when looked at in context; I'd consider such a statement to be noise, and wouldn't want to add it.

Reviewing answers entirely out of context has its (rare) dangers. Thankfully this mod got it right.

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    True, but then the answer should be edited or deleted entirely and a new one posted with the correct solution. The answer doesn't directly reference UNIX_TIMESTAMP and it's not useful to future readers (such as myself) as they have to analyse it (like you did). Users shouldn't have to solve puzzles to get the right answer.
    – AStopher
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 21:54
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    @cybermonkey If you plan on reading that answer without even reading the question, sure. That's not the design of the system though. Future readers can be expected to read through the question before expecting the answers to be meaningful, and so such an edit would be pretty much just noise. It doesn't reference UNIX_TIMESTAMP explicitly, but it does do so implicitly.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 21:56
  • I did read the question, and yet the answer doesn't help those who can't use UNIX_TIMESTAMP for any reason. Apparently the community agrees because since I posted this question, the answer's received two more downvotes.
    – AStopher
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 22:00
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    @cybermonkey The question doens't say, "I cannot possibly use UNIX_TIMESTAMP under any circumstances. It says, Is there a way I can say to account for DST for a given statement or session?, followed up with a proposed option and some potential concerns. The answer alleviates those concerns. If someone else has different problems with that solution they can post a question about how to resolve the problem under a different set of circumstances, or with different constraints.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 22:02
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    @cybermonkey If people feel that the answer isn't useful, isn't correct, or is for whatever reason unhelpful, they can downvote it. I have no idea if the answer is the best solution to that problem, and so have no intention of voting. I'm merely saying that it is clearly an answer and shouldn't be deleted as NAA. Voting is there to indicate the quality of that answer.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 22:03
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    @cybermonkey It's impossible to always prevent questions of related but slightly different topics from being returned for any given search. The fact that you can come up with a search query that results in a question being returned does not mean that the answers is obligated to answer that entirely separate search query. The answer answers the question asked. It is clearly not an answer, and should not be deleted on that basis.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 22:07
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    The answer is phrased in such a way that you thought it wasn't an answer when looking at it out of context, even though it really does answer the question when looked at more closely, and when taken in the context of the question its answering. While an argument could be made for editing it to remove that potential confusion, there is certainly no basis for deleting the answer just because some people mistakenly thought it wasn't answering the question even though it was.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 22:09
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    @cybermonkey That's exactly my point. You mistakenly thought that the post isn't an answer, even though it is. If you feel the post is of low quality, you can use your vote to reflect that. You flagged it as NAA, and a mod correctly declined the flag because the post is an answer, and does answer the question. NAA is not for answers that you don't think are of sufficient quality. It's for answers that aren't answers.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 19, 2015 at 22:15
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    My 2 cents: If I were having DST SQL issues and ran into that question and answer, I'd have no idea that was supposed to be a suggestion to use UNIX_TIMESTAMP, nor why. Seems like that would only be obvious to someone who already knew enough to answer the question themselves. As such, I'd much prefer a complete answer in comprehensible English, rather than one that relies on already understanding the context.
    – Dronz
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 4:52
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    @cybermonkey And if you feel that the answer isn't helpful, you can use your vote to reflect it. You thinking that the answer isn't useful doesn't make it NAA. It makes it something you can downvote.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 14:59
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    @cybermonkey The question is saying, "I can't use X to solve by problem because Y". This post is saying, "Y isn't actually a problem for you," which is implicitly stating, "so you can feel free to use X." Re-stating the solution in the answer is just going to be redundant for anyone who actually read the question. If you think that makes the answer low quality, because it's "too subtle" for you, I have no problem with that. Demanding it be deleted is another matter entirely.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 15:12
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    @cybermonkey When you flagged it as NAA, you were asking for it to be deleted. That's what happens to posts that are actually NAA. By coming here to say that your flag was wrongfully deleted, you're saying the post should have been deleted, but wasn't. For like the 5th time, if you think the post is unclear, or for whatever reason unhelpful, the appropriate way to convey that is through voting. If you want to comment, you can do that too. The flags rejection was 100% correct as this post is an answer.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 17:13
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    @cybermonkey And I've told you 6 times now. If you think an answer is a low quality answer, you can downvote it; you can also comment if you would like to. What about that don't you understand?
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 17:18
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    @cybermonkey Sigh. Read my last 10 comments. If you want to know how to handle a poor quality answer, I've told you. You say that you know that the post is an answer, and thus shouldn't be flagged as NAA, you know it should be downvoted if you think it's unclear, and that you can comment if you want. I cannot possibly comprehend what you don't understand.
    – Servy
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 17:22
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    Just to be clear, I woudn't delete it or mark it as not an answer (because it has ideas that could be useful and is trying to answer), but I think cybermonkey's original suggested edit was a very good idea, because it would explicitly and more clearly state what the answer is for those of use who otherwise struggle to see the answer due to language or not knowing the context so well.
    – Dronz
    Commented Jan 20, 2015 at 17:48

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