I tried to answer a question but apparently I am banned. I only have one question and no answers, so I don't think that it makes sense. If it does, then why?
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34The ban takes deleted answers into account too.– Oded StaffModCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:31
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I'm seeing two questions (at 0 and at -1). No idea how many deleted questions and answers, which count as well.– DeduplicatorCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:33
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1click here and share with us.– user2140173Commented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:38
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56I think it's unfair to downvote this user's question. They ask a really good question, and at this point, they've fallen into a non-obvious trap. It's not fair to penalize them for asking why.– George Stocker ModCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:47
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@Oded: Does the system still have bans? I thought it's using rate-limiting from now on.– Infinite RecursionCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:48
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11@GeorgeStocker It seems pretty clear that they didn't even read the directions they're linked to when trying to post. He knows that he doesn't have zero answers, and he knows that deleted posts count, if he read the linked page.– ServyCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:49
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3@InfiniteRecursion They changed nothing about the bans (to my knowledge), they just added rate limiting in addition to the bans. The rate limiting also makes it harder to get banned, because people are often prevented from posting the posts that would get them banned.– ServyCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:49
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1@servy He doesn't know that because the answers are so old they don't show up any more; and I have to say that unless I look at my profile page, I don't even know what I've answered in the past week, so it'd be disingenuous to expect this user to remember what they posted months ago.– George Stocker ModCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:50
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11@GeorgeStocker You wouldn't remember exactly what you've posted in each answer last week because you've posted too many of them to remember. But you'd probably remember if you've ever posted one at all.– ServyCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:53
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4@Servy I posted a question a few years ago, before I started regularly using the site, I managed to achieve the Tumbleweed badge and it has since been deleted - I have no idea what that question was, if it got any downvotes or what. Since then I've actually read the help text, lurked more, and as a result, don't really ask questions. It happens - not often, but it does.– JoeCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:57
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2@GeorgeStocker It would be insincere to expect this user to remember their old posts? I'm not sure I follow your meaning here. Is there another sense of 'disingenuous' that would apply?– BrianCommented Nov 18, 2014 at 14:07
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7"They ask a really good question" - Someone is a member for over an year, got an answer ban for posting questions as answers., and asks about the ban in stackoverflow. That is kind of repeating his mistakes. At least by that time he should've went through the help section. Really not good.– T JCommented Nov 19, 2014 at 13:37
1 Answer
You have three old answers that are deleted:
- Opening a virtual serial port created by socate with qt
- C - Why is const cast evil?
- Libsub - Basic example wanted
In two cases, you were asking a new question as an answer.
That's wrong, and that's why those answers were deleted.
In the third case, it appears you're commenting on the question in an answer box; also verboten.
It sucks that you made three mistakes and were banned, that's for sure -- but they were over such a period of time that the system believes you didn't learn from your mistake (most likely).
Since we only show recent deleted answers to users, there would have been no way for you to know your previous answers were deleted unless you visited the site, clicked your 'Answers' page, and looked at 'recent deleted answers' in the timeframe those answers were still visible in that page.
So all around, the communication could have been better.
I'll see if we can get those answers disassociated from your account, because you really did fall into a trap that would be hard to get out of and hard to realize you're even in.
In the future, please don't treat Stack Overflow like a traditional forum: "Questions" go into the "Ask Question" box, "Answers" go into the box that says "Add an Answer".
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65what's so "wow" about it Joe? That's actually great!– user2140173Commented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:40
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15@Joe Maybe the nature of the answers also counts? It's one thing to post technically bad answers. It's another thing to post answers that show the user is not paying attention to the instructions regarding to what can be posted in answers, which appears to be the case here.– LouisCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:43
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6Excellent, and I agree about this not being obvious.– Andrew Barber ModCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:44
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6No. The system works as expected and yeah call it a trap if you want... but blame only yourself if you fall in it. One hasn't read the rules therefore they should be disallowed to post further "answers" - increasing the load of moderation work etc. That's exactly what should have happened. Someone has spent a good amount of time putting a help-centre together for a reason.– user2140173Commented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:45
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30@vba4all Due to the circumstances (visiting non-regularly, posting answers that are very far apart, and not seeing the ban until now (when all of the deleted recent answers wouldn't show up any more)), this is a trap the user fell into. There's no feedback when an answer is deleted, so they wouldn't have known they were doing something bad.– George Stocker ModCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:49
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6@GeorgeStocker Auto-generated comments posted from the LQP queue result in notifications to the user persisting even when the post is deleted (unlike normal comments) which was the case for at least one of this user's answers.– ServyCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:52
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2@GeorgeStocker I completely understand the circumstances. So what if every other person visiting the site becomes a non-regular typing questions into answers? IMO, The system does work as expected. People who don't pay attention on multiple occasions (notifications) should be penalised.– user2140173Commented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:52
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28@vba4all The ban part is expected; the fact that a non-regular user wouldn't be able to see why they were banned (because all evidence is gone) is not expected and that's what has generated the support request. I agree with the OP that this is a trap that's not hard to fall into. I don't agree in all cases; but this specific set of circumstances would make it hard for anyone to realize what was happening, and even harder to fix.– George Stocker ModCommented Nov 17, 2014 at 16:54
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3I really did not remember that, I'am sorry, my mistake was that I did not read how to post so I guess I deserve the ban. Commented Nov 18, 2014 at 10:46
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28How many other users have been hit in the same way? I think if an user's answer has been deleted they should be told as part of the process of them posting their next answer. Commented Nov 18, 2014 at 14:04
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16Maybe this is another argument for users being allowed to see all of their own deleted posts on their own user page.– zwolCommented Nov 18, 2014 at 14:48
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5They are told, @Ian. Not sure anyone listens, but if you're new and your last answer was deleted, you get warned when you go to post another one.– Shog9Commented Nov 18, 2014 at 16:22
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3Yet another reason for showing users their own deleted content, not just for a little while, perhaps on a tab of its own. Commented Nov 19, 2014 at 22:19