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It seems that the "Hot Meta Posts" has lured me in, built my hopes up with an interesting question and then left me high and dry. It seems to show questions even after they were deleted.

After clicking on "Should I flag a user who tries to vandalize his own question?", I land on the "This question was removed from Meta Stack Overflow for reasons of moderation" page. Refreshing the page several times and even clearing cache makes no difference.

Might I suggest that a deleted meta question not show up in the "Hot Meta Posts" box?

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    Just get 10k+ rep and you can see deleted posts. :)
    – Taryn Mod
    Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 16:43
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    Searching for similar questions from the 404 lead to this one. The system works. Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 16:43
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    Presumably deleted questions are already filtered, it was just cached. I wouldn't expect the host meta posts to be queried on demand.
    – Servy
    Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 16:45
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    It was deleted 15 minutes ago. Not everything updates within a second. Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 16:46
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    @Servy No, but I would think the system would be able to rebuild the cached list when it recognizes a deleted question?
    – teynon
    Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 16:46
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    @Tom The whole point of caching is to avoid doing those types of checks on every single page load. It'll go away in a few minutes, and having a link like that there for just a few minutes simply isn't the end of the world.
    – Servy
    Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 16:47
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    I'm not talking about every single page load. I'm talking about the Delete button. When the question is deleted, which happens once, the list (in my mind) should have been updated / recached.
    – teynon
    Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 16:48
  • Was just about to come here to post the same thing :)]
    – nneonneo
    Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 16:52
  • @Tom, but that still would put a significant load every time the delete button is hit, to check to see if the deleted Q is a hot Q or not.
    – Joe
    Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 17:07
  • @Joe I haven't seen how Stack Overflow code looks, but I would think when the Hot Meta Posts gets built that it would add a flag to the question and the question could make that determination there. Then the check wouldn't be invasive at all, since the question has to be loaded anyways. But again, I don't know the back-end code for Stack Overflow. Seems like a pretty simple thing that would improve user experience if it's done properly.
    – teynon
    Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 17:10
  • Add a flag where? You're still taking sql queries all over the place. You have to put a flag in a table, and that table would have to be queried every page load and/or every delete press. Instead they just build the hot meta whatever as a static web page, include it in each page load, and re-create the page every so often, one query executed per fifteen minutes or whatever instead of many many queries, one per delete.
    – Joe
    Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 17:12
  • @Joe Is each individual question cached? I would imagine that each time the question loads, it loads the most recent information for the question. So if Question.IsHotQuestion == true, rebuild cache. On Rebuild Cache, Set the 4 "hot" questions IsHotQuestion to false, and when the next 4 are picked, set the questions IsHotQuestion to true. That leads to the same amount of load for individual questions and then an addition of 8 queries for the rebuilding of the Hot Meta section. Or if you group those queries, 1 query.
    – teynon
    Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 17:16
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    I doubt IsHotQuestion is an attribute of Question. It's probably simply a table of question IDs. Honestly, the SO people are pretty bright. Isn't it worth giving them some credit for being halfway competent? If it worked as you suggest it seems like it wouldn't make sense to have this problem...
    – Joe
    Commented Jun 30, 2014 at 17:17
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    It happened again, to meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/265900/… - this is pretty silly. I can't imagine it would be so difficult to check whether a question is a hot question when you delete it, and remove it from that list (and recache) if it is? Looking up the hot questions list might happen a jillion times a day, but I can't imagine deleting posts from meta happens nearly so often.
    – neminem
    Commented Jul 17, 2014 at 14:44
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    This bug is still open. It happens to me right now on meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/327981/… .
    – anderas
    Commented Jul 15, 2016 at 5:58

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Several years later, in August 2020, this was implemented: if a question on Hot Meta Posts is deleted, it will be immediately removed from the bulletin.

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