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Every time I see meta questions coming up in the Community Bulletin link on the side of SO, nearly all the questions are "close-warrior" topics (i.e. aimed at removal of content deemed bad to the person posting the question rather than the creation of useful content or the improvement of naturally-arising low-quality content). Why is this?

Are these just the questions that get attention? And is it wrong for SO to be drawing more attention to them via the Community Bulletin links?

As a high-rep user who both asks and answers lots of questions, I find this sort of "deletion culture" unpleasant and counter-productive. I don't think I've ever seen a case where an inappropriate question stuck around for more than a few hours, much less days, and I've seen plenty of low-quality but valid questions closed or even deleted. So the interest in expanding closure/deletion seems like it's more in the interest of people who spend their time voting to close and delete and less in the interest of people who ask and answer questions.

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    Remember that the CB links are autogenerated from active posts. The controversial ones are naturally more active. Commented Jun 1, 2014 at 13:54
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    Are you saying we are closing and deleting too much? Have any more concrete examples, your post is somewhat vague. There are a lot of discussions about the quality levels of new questions and how to best handle these; there is a sentiment that quality has dropped. You may want to listen to the podcast currently linked in the CB. Commented Jun 1, 2014 at 13:55
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    +1 Anything closed that is linked from meta gets deleted. Rather unfortunate.
    – user000001
    Commented Jun 1, 2014 at 14:00
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    "It does not add anything of value to the site" - yes it does, deleting misinformation is important, and there are a lot of bad/old questions that contain dangerous misinformation about technologies. Especially in certain tags. Commented Jun 1, 2014 at 14:18
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    @MartijnPieters: Closing, maybe not too much, but definitely sufficiently. Deleting, definitely way too much, but that's not actually what I'm saying here. This question is about the culture of closing/deletion on meta. Commented Jun 1, 2014 at 14:18
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    @R.. as for the question - true, I upvoted the question, I think the negativity some people bring and the fact some people are obsessive on closing/deleting rather than being more helpful is both dangerous and counter productive. That said, policing SO is how we keep a high quality site. Back to the topic! I was commenting on your previous comment: Very often, in questions like "Framework A vs. Framework B" there is really nothing good to add, they often contain a lot of misinformation and opinions and they are just a subjective popularity contest most of the time. Commented Jun 1, 2014 at 14:23
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    “Deletion culture.” Dear goodness.
    – Ry- Mod
    Commented Jun 1, 2014 at 17:58
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    It is a hot topic right now, been so since SO got its own meta. You probably never paid attention to meta before until it started showing up on your front page. Nothing whatsoever to do with "culture" of course. Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 0:13
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    @necro You will not find very many people who are willing to answer your question if the site is unmoderated. It boggles my mind how many people come to Stack Overflow and complain that it isn't like all those other sites they are not asking their questions on.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 6:29
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    @CodyGray this site became successful well before the horde of close warriors descended upon it. the voting and reputation system has and continues to be good enough. do you really think questions with 5 downvotes will not be distinguished from a question with an upvote? why do we rarely see 5 downvotes but see so many questions closed within minutes of being asked even as people are answering them? the answer lies in some deep psychological corner of closers. other than by downvoting, why get in the way of people willing to answer questions that others have asked? sigh, you got me started! Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 9:12
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    We don't see 5 downvotes because most people think close voting is enough. People are afraid to "double-up" on the "punishment" of doing both. Because closing serves a more visible and immediate purpose than downvoting, people tend to prefer doing that. And yes, @necromancer, the site became successful before close voting. It was also a lot smaller and had a rather different audience. Most of the early participants were regular readers of Jeff Atwood's personal blog on programming.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 9:48
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    Or this question that's got a score of -2, two close votes, but only 14 views after 6 days. Bad questions can stick around for quite some time in low-traffic tags. I was happy to hear about the "gold tag single vote close vote" except for the fact that low-traffic tags often don't have even one gold-tag user, even though the top user can confidently say "this is a duplicate of the question asked 6 months ago, and I know because I answered that one, too." Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 12:54
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    I'm really happy we now have the "Community Bulletin" on Stack Overflow because I feel it brings more users like you to the Meta site. In the past, Meta has already had it's own subculture that I do not think represents the majority of Stack Overflow users, and the majority of them favor closure/deletion of content. Now I am seeing a much more diverse set of opinions coming to meta from regular users like yourself, and an happy to see many fresh voices on meta. Please keep raising points that concern you, and voice your opinion in cases where you disagree. :)
    – Rachel
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 15:22
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    @necromancer, speaking as someone who's been here a long time and only recently became a "close warrior" -- my impression is that we're dealing with a large influx of people who don't understand the goals of the site (to build a canonical repository of high-quality questions and answers useful to others). Closing things not in line with that goal, and communicating to people why those questions needed to be closed (and how to improve them) is part of how we try to preserve that culture, and guide the new folks coming in towards making a more positive contribution towards that original goal. Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 16:19
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    @necromancer, the amount of chaff one needs to go through to find the wheat when one is looking for good questions to answer has grown ridiculous. I used to be able to sign into SO and find an interesting question I could answer somewhere within the first page (of items having a tag in an area where I have some subject matter expertise) almost without fail. Over the years, that's become downright rare. Search might make it easier for folks who are looking for good answers, but it doesn't help people looking for good questions in need of an answer. Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 21:18

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In general, I agree that deleting potentially useful content is bad and should be avoided. The last time we had the big "deletion" debate, I came down strongly on the side of preservation. My side won, kinda—we got the historical lock feature implemented, which at least saved some of the old, albeit useful, no-longer-on-topic material from outright burnination.

Anyway, my point in leading with all of this is not to toot my own horn, but to lend credibility to the fact that I disagree with you here.

You don't point to any examples, and I don't know what you have seen in the Community Bulletin, but I can't recall any questions on Meta lately concerning the deletion of content that is even remotely borderline. The stuff that we discuss deleting, advocate deleting, and (generally) actually delete is stuff that should never have been on the site in the first place. It is just absolute garbage, wasting the time of anyone who ever has to cross across it. Time that they will never get back. That's the whole point of deletion, to minimize the amount of time others have to waste wading through the garbage.

You are an active participant on the site (or, at least, I've read many of your answers and found lots of them to be helpful), so surely you've noticed that there has been a lot of garbage getting posted recently. The things I've read on Meta recently from other high-rep users have confirmed what I've long feared I suffered alone: the volume of noise on Stack Overflow has gotten so high that it has made it difficult for me to find halfway-decent questions to answer and zapped my will to participate. I would be extremely surprised if your experience was substantially different.

We aren't talking about deleting stuff that might help someone in the future. We're talking about deleting stuff that is just making the site suck.

To quote myself:

I see absolutely no point in keeping garbage around, but I think we should do everything within our power to keep potentially useful information alive and accessible on the Internet. I realize that this is incredibly subjective, but I think, like pornography, most people know it when they see it.
[…] And in the edge cases, we should err on the side of preservation, rather than obliteration.

If I thought there was some kind of out-of-control deletion going on, I'd surely be throwing a fit about it.

It is possible that I've missed it. If you have examples to which you can point, I'm happy to reconsider.

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    1. examples: plenty of questions are closed as duplicates that are not duplicates (pick a tag where you are competent and see for yourself (the error rate might be as high as 10% (very high))) 2. Number of "noise" questions might be higher but there are still many questions to answer 3. repwhore-shaming is out-of-hand. Q/A site shouldn't discourage volunteers from providing good answers.
    – jfs
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 1:20
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    @J.F.Sebastian You linked me to a review page, not a list of closed questions. I do regularly read questions in tags I'm competent in, and I hardly ever see questions that have been incorrectly closed as duplicates. Rather, I see lots of duplicate questions that should be closed; I vote to close them. Yes, occasionally people make mistakes in voting to close a question. That's why we have a review queue. If others disagree with their opinion, it is rejected, no harm done. Close votes also age away after some time if they are unconfirmed.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 6:25
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    2) I disagree. Of course, I've seen the Meta question you linked. I already do most of those things people talked about. I've tried them all at some time. I just don't have hours to spend pouring through lists of questions, filtering through all of the crap. I like to answer a question here and there while my code is compiling or tests are running. Instead, I spend all of my time moderating the crap, not posting answers. It is frustrating. Note that I didn't say there are no good questions, I said the volume of crap had been turned up to 11.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 6:26
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    3) Repwhoring is out of hand. It is the central problem that promotes people asking bad questions in the first place: they keep getting answers. Of course, my personal opinion aligns nearly 100% with Shog's. But you need to apply some context here. The goal of Stack Overflow is not to earn reputation, it were, we'd give out simple participation points. A Q&A site isn't discouraging volunteers from proving good answers, we're trying to discourage people from giving bad answers to bad questions.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 6:28
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    Just a FYI, I reviewed all the duplicate votes in the WPF tag when I got my shiny new superpowers, and roughly 80% were not duplicates. This made me feel really demoralized at the integrity of many of our close-happy users.
    – Rachel
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    @Rachel: Just pulling one of your reviews at random, you voted Leave Open on stackoverflow.com/questions/8924556/…, but it is a duplicate of the one linked in the comments. Both were answered with FlashWindowEx p/invoke code. (Your comment that the other doesn't show how to flash the entire window is wrong, the only valid point is that the earlier question didn't mention flashing the whole window as a requirement. But both wanted and got the same thing.)
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    @BenVoigt The questions are asking two separate things (how to make a full sized application window "flash", and how to make a window "flash" in the taskbar. In addition, I thought the answer of the one that had the close vote was far superior to the one that was being left open, so should not be closed.
    – Rachel
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    @Rachel: I did read your comment. And I just told you your comment was factually incorrect. The accepted answer for the earlier question does make the regular-sized window blink (Well, its title bar, which is apparently the behavior desired. Because the exact same solution got accepted, except that one used FLASHW_ALL | FLASHW_TIMER and the other FLASHW_ALL | FLASHW_TIMERNOFG)
    – Ben Voigt
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    @BenVoigt Because the two questions ask for different things, and will be found by different sets of users searching for a solution to different problems, no I think these two should be closed as duplicates to each other. Definitely link them, but don't close them as duplicates because they aren't duplicates.
    – Rachel
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 15:46
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    You have just described what a duplicate is for. Questions that appear to ask for two different things, and will be found by different sets of users searching for solutions, but actually have the same answer.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 15:47
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    They have exactly the same answer. That is what a duplicate is. WPF people won't think to look at the WinForms questions for their answer, but people who understand the problem and know how to solve it already know this. They're the people we allow to close as duplicates, for precisely this reason. You could literally copy and paste an answer from any one of those questions to any of the others, and it would be the correct answer. That's a duplicate.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 15:51
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    @CodyGray No, only one answer is a duplicate. There are other answers to the WPF question which do not adequately answer the Winforms question (which specifically asks for a Win API call). And people search for the solution to their problem, they don't know to search for the solution because they don't know what the solution is. That is why I feel that different questions with the same answer and not duplicates.
    – Rachel
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 15:54
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    Obviously you are missing the fact that there is no other way to do this than making a Win API call. Any code that is written, regardless of the language and the UI framework, is going to make such a call. Yes, that's the part the person asking the question is not expected to know. That's why closing a question as a duplicate is not a punishment. But it is something that experts know, that's why we have the ability to mark duplicates now. All of the answers to all of the questions adequately answer any of the other questions. If not, it's because they're link-only and don't answer anything.
    – Cody Gray Mod
    Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 15:56
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    @Rachel and Cody, I see some dangerous statement in this comments but so maybe some clarification is needed: duplicates are for questions that ask fundamentally the same problem just with different wording. That two questions has similar answers can be an indicator but not the sole variable to close as duplicates.
    – Braiam
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    I've gotten bitten by unwarranted closure enough times, while in the middle of writing a detailed answer to a question that's actually legitimate and interesting, that I've resorted to throwing up a quick-and-dirty answer first when I see a question worth answering that looks like the close-warriors will jump on it, then going back and editing in the long answer I actually wanted to write once I don't have to worry that closure will result in my answer being thrown away. Commented Jun 3, 2014 at 6:08
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Why is meta full of close-warriors?

Because meta is largely populated with users who have gotten tired of just using the main site, and now want to influence how it runs.

They want to clean things up, put them in their place, and organize the massive jumble of content we call Q&A.

Not a bad goal, however I have to agree with you that it leads to a culture that seems very pro-closure and pro-deletion to regular users.

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    From Stack Overflow Help: With your help, we're working together to build a library of detailed answers to every question about programming. vs your They want to clean things up, put them in their place, and organize the massive jumble of content we call Q&A. Isn't that the whole point?
    – kapa
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    @kapa: That's not the whole point of the site, no. Part of the point of the site IMO is to continue answering new questions as they arise. Especially the good questions :-) I've previously argued that SO probably has enough jumble that actually we could stop getting new questions entirely for a considerable period and still have plenty of organization to do, working towards the site's main goal. But that would rather miss the point, I feel. If Rachel has identified a true reason why meta is largely concerned with decluttering, great! You don't need to be on meta just to answer questions. Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 16:58
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    Part of the problem is that "de-cluttering" in the sense or removal is a pre-Internet mindset which is generally a loosing proposition in this day and age. As content can be created faster than it can be suppressed, it's going to be necessary to stop worrying about what is out there overall, and instead focus on better tools and tagging for directing viewers to what is personally useful or interesting. Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 17:04
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    @ChrisStratton deleting is easier than fixing.. and sometimes I just feel like I should build ground up to fix some questions, so they just doesn't worth my time to fix.
    – Braiam
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    @ChrisStratton: so you're saying that noise to signal ratio should merely introduce an O(log N) term to your search functions? ;-) Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 17:06
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    @kapa: I'm pretty certain that new questions about programming will be invented as soon as we're finished, so "all" we need to do is: (1) answer all the good questions that exist in the universe; (2) delete everything else from the site; (3) continue answering all new good questions as they're invented. Not necessarily in that order. Mission accomplished. Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 17:07
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    @kapa: SO is doing an excellent job. Google search results for practical programming problems I face frequently come up with excellent answers on SO. What "close-warriors" are primarily concerned with, as far as I can tell, is that the "recent questions" lists and the edit queues are mostly garbage. The public don't see those, it's a second order problem mostly to do with keeping expert answerers enthused about the site. That's where SO is starting to ease off the pace, and what quite a few people (whether they're close-warriors or not) feel is an imminent crisis. Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 17:11
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    @Braiam - what is useful is extremely subjective - the problem with anyone who tries to enforce a one-size-fits-all version of utility is that they'll end up in an endless war with the many who see differently. Ultimately the only long-term-workable path is going to be one which can accommodate differences in needs - and that's reader filtering, not post deletion (or the even more pointless "closing" - which only serves to prevent others from answring). Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 17:11
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    @ChrisStratton Some say that would help. I say that is only creating a ghetto of low-quality questions. Questions that should simply never be allowed to enter this site.
    – kapa
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    @kapa - again, this is the problem of difference in needs. What meets one person's idea of a low quality, uninteresting question can have precisely the answer needed for another person's current issue, or contain within it something that those with specifically relevant experience recognize to be a unique and intriguing technical problem. Fundamentally, you simply cannot have a site this big run smoothly while still trying to enforce a one-size-fits-all mentality. Commented Jun 2, 2014 at 21:25
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    @ChrisStratton Nope. A low quality question is a low quality question. In 95% of cases it is very easy to determine. We can argue about the remaing 5%, I might even agree with you, but first, we need that 95% out. We can worry about everything else later. When you are drowning, you are naturally not worrying about your haircut, because you have more important problems :).
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    No, it is precisely reversing the improper closure of that 5-10% (or more like 40% in some tags) of interesting questions which consumes the most time. Fundamentally, an "answer ban" is not a constructive status for a question. If there's a real concern about users answering "bad" questions just to earn reputation (rather than to be genuinely helpful) then let's have a "reputation ban" status where a question cannot earn its asker or answerer any reputation, uninterested parties can tick a box not to see them, but answers are still permitted from those who deem the question worthwhile. Commented Jun 3, 2014 at 14:07
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    @ChrisStratton: I would be perfectly happy with a reputation ban for answers on closed questions if we could get rid of the answer ban. If I'm trying to answer a question it's not about reputation. I have more than I could ever use and I just want to provide a useful answer. Commented Jun 3, 2014 at 18:05
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    "I would be perfectly happy with a reputation ban for answers on closed questions if we could get rid of the answer ban". No, absolutely not, that's out of the question. The entire point of closing questions is to prevent those answers from being posted, because posting answers on them, at all, no matter how well-written, directly harms the site. If you want to answer questions simply because they were asked, use an actual discussion forum like Reddit or Quora. Stack Overflow explicitly exists to be the exceptional space that isn't like that. Commented May 6 at 21:03
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    @ChrisStratton "what is out there overall" inhibits others from "being directed to what is personally useful or interesting", merely by existing (in the volumes that it does). Commented May 6 at 21:40
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I don't think I've ever seen a case where an inappropriate question stuck around for more than a few hours, much less days, and I've seen plenty of low-quality but valid questions closed or even deleted.

A question simply being on-topic and asked in good faith - what people seem to mean when they describe a question as "valid" - is not even remotely sufficient reason to keep it around. For that matter, "good faith" isn't a requirement in the first place - which is to say, you don't need to actually require an answer in order to ask. You are even explicitly encouraged to ask things you're perfectly capable of answering yourself.

It's really striking to me, incidentally, the way that people who expect those qualities to be sufficient in a question, seem to have universally settled on the term "valid" to describe such questions. All the "Stack Overflow critique" videos that get turned up on YouTube keep using that very specific term, and not other possible words. So, when I chose the title for that question linked above (which is, of course, a rhetorical question and not something I actually wondered), the choice of the word "valid" was very deliberate.

But all of you are missing the point.

In short: the close reasons are well considered and exist for a reason. Despite the wrong-headed existence of an "accepted answer" marker, the purpose of questions here is not to "help" the OP. The purpose is to frame answers and provide an anchor for them, so that they can be found with a search engine and recognized by those doing the search.

[Why are there so many Meta questions] aimed at removal of content deemed bad to the person posting the [Meta] question rather than the creation of useful content or the improvement of naturally-arising low-quality content?

In short: because the content that the person is posting about actually is bad despite your apparent objection; the content you wish to see created is nowhere near as useful as you think; and "naturally-arising low-quality content" usually, fundamentally, cannot be improved while following policy and without completely replacing it.

Ten years later, when I look at Stack Overflow, it's a complete mess, and that's largely because of the attitude you espouse here.

The existing content is bad, and new content wouldn't be useful, for already discussed reasons. The questions can't be improved because it isn't just a matter of editing to fix formatting or grammar or noise issues; it's a matter of the question lacking a proper [mre] or specification, or other information that only the OP has. The answers can't be improved because they're wrong, and editing them would change the author's intent.


I want to give a couple of examples of how things have deteriorated in the nearly ten years since this Meta question.

First, about Python's import system. There are only a handful of actually distinct questions that are commonly asked about how this works - and the actual answers are fairly simple if you don't have complex needs. However, that handful of questions maps to many times more old popular questions that might look "canonical". But that mapping is many-to-many (well, few-to-many); you can hardly ever choose one that is a correct fit. Even if you do choose one, it's terrible despite the score - there are dozens of redundant answers for no good reason, and the answers are full of blatantly incorrect ideas and cargo-cult programming without proper explanation. People who read these Q&As will be taught to commit atrocities in their code bases and come away with a completely unjustified prejudice against Python for "complicating" something that is only being complicated by others who don't understand it.

Second: the mass of questions about IndentationError issues in Python. There are only a few conceptually distinct ways to get one (or a TabError, which is a subtype), and the lion's share of them boil down to either not understanding the purpose of indentation, not understanding the consistency requirements for indentation, or making a typo. An honest typo is of course outside of what Stack Overflow is about, and the other two are two sides of the same coin, covered by a new canonical written in 2017.1 But throughout 2023, a search query like this one would have shown you literally hundreds of unclosed, blatant duplicates. (There could be thousands more.) It doesn't now (it shows only a handful of questions that are mostly typos and idiosyncratic issues, e.g. trying to use Python 2.x code in 3.x in places where it would work except for the mixed spaces and tabs, trying to deal with idiosyncratic environments that are corrupting the code, etc.) That's because I put in the work to fix it, myself.

You're welcome.


1The fringe cases are things like "I'm having difficulty inputting code at the REPL" (or specifically with IPython - a corresponding version for VSCode would be appreciated!); "I want a block of code to be empty"; "I had a try: block without a matching except: block; the next line is supposed to be less-indented than the try; and I'm using Python 3.9 or older", "I'm trying to dynamically compile indented code from a docstring" (but there should be a better version of this); "a buggy third-party library is trying to dynamically recompile my code"; and "my generated code is nested 100 or more levels deep". There's also "my else lined up with a for or while instead of the intended if, so I didn't get an error but the result is wrong".

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    I generally agree with the gist of this. However, one possible meaning of "valid" could be "on-topic, focused, answerable, and not a duplicate", in which case a question being "valid" is a pretty good reason to keep a question around. I worry that someone might read a statement like "A question being 'valid' is not even remotely sufficient reason to keep it around" and get the wrong idea. The issue essentially boils down to different ideas of what constitutes a "valid" question, and I've seen people advocate for closure of questions that could meet SO guidelines with a community edit.
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    Well, yes. My point is that the people I hear actually use the term "valid" when complaining about question closures, almost never have in mind a meaning that is compatible with the question closure reasons and guidance. As far as I can tell, they typically mean "on-topic and posed by someone who actually needs an answer" (the latter of which is neither necessary nor sufficient). Commented May 7 at 4:07
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    It might be good to specifically call out in the answer that you're referring to usage of "valid" to mean something along the lines of "on-topic (i.e., about programming) and posed by someone who actually needs an answer".
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    @RyanM I agree. Maybe I'll be in a better emotional place to do so tomorrow. Commented May 7 at 7:59
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    It wasn't difficult to come up with an edit, but it was more difficult than I expected. At any rate, I have no real excuse for waiting two weeks to do it; but it's done now. Commented May 22 at 2:02
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I think it's an inevitable progression as a community-led site matures and wants to be more legitimate. Wikipedia and TV Tropes have gone through similar progressions where the site contains enough professional-grade material that people want it to become more legitimate by getting rid of the more embarrassing bits.

That said, this site seems fairly good at not going overboard on such a subject.

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    The comparison to Wikipedia is quite apt, I think. I hadn't thought about that before. I recall Wikipedia had to establish very strict standards for "notability" during its late formative years. Lots of "popular" articles were deleted because they did not meet those standards. This is operating for Stack Overflow as well. In order to meet the high quality standards we set for ourselves, we have to set the boundaries somewhere.
    – Cody Gray Mod
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    I think Wikipedia article deletion is a great analogy for what's happening on SO with the eagerness to close and delete, but Wikipedia is really nothing like SO, and I think the unreasonable extension of this analogy might actually be a big part of the cause of the problem -- people come here and get the idea that they're supposed to treat it like Wikipedia, and that the primary goal is to provide a carefully-curated resource of programming knowledge rather than actively answer people's questions. Commented Jun 3, 2014 at 6:14
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    @R.. I've always understood SO as a carefully curated resource of programming knowledge and thats the reason I'm here. If this were "just" a place were people actively answer other peoples questions this would be another programming forum and I've left so many of those - exactly because of this. Commented Jun 3, 2014 at 9:09
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    @AngeloNeuschitzer: I completely fail to understand the reasoning behind that mindset. Who does it benefit? While I occasionally find useful information for a problem I solve in past questions, the vast majority of the benefit I've gotten out of SO, and contributed for others to get, is in the active process of asking and answering questions, not treating past questions as some sort of archive of knowledge. Commented Jun 3, 2014 at 18:01
  • As for your other point, moderating is definitely not what distinguishes SO from "another programming forum". The Q&A format, the lack of fake content in the form of tricking google that there's an answer to a question when there's really not, and the ability of anyone to participate without registration or paywalls is what distinguishes SO and makes it a^H the only useful resource of its kind. Commented Jun 3, 2014 at 18:03
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    @R.. Then we obviously use SO very different. Next to all questions I had were already asked and answered in a way that helped me. That isn't so surprising if we take into account that you are active in completely different tags/topics than I am. - Most likely the experience is totally different to you as the users that come and ask questions in your realm are different to mine. - And at least compared to the Java Forums, were I was before I came to SO, the moderation and working search function is what distinguishes SO from them. Commented Jun 4, 2014 at 7:24
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    @AngeloFuchs And the way you use SO is objectively the right way of using it as it was intended by its founders. All of its policies reflect the same. StackOverflow is a library of high-quality programming Q&A and there is a priority here to make content here more helpful for future visitors, that's one of its main visions. And I'll be honest here, I have riped more benefits from the site viewing other people's Q&A than from asking questions / answering them myself. Commented May 7 at 12:38
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    @R..GitHubSTOPHELPINGICE that the primary goal is to provide a carefully-curated resource of programming knowledge rather than actively answer people's questions. That is literally THE goal of StackOverflow defined by the founders and often echoed throughout its policies and through the site moderators. This site is for being a library of carefully-curated, constantly updated, high-quality programming knowledge in the form of Q&A. The active asker and answerer are secondary in terms of who this site serves and the future visitor is primary. Commented May 7 at 12:40

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